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Posted 07 September 2007 - 10:30 AM

The Web and AJAX have many deficiencies including security holes, according to a Yahoo architect who spoke at The Rich Web Experience conference. more
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 01:56 PM

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Fortunately, XML has been replaced by JSON


Huh? Really? Do you know anybody who is using JSON? Has anyone ever heard of it before this "article"? Wow, this guy is really full of himself, and most of his points seem really off the mark to me. I'm not saying that AJAX is perfect --- it most certainly is not --- but it does some valuable stuff.
Plus, this article is all over the place. I really don't understand what they are trying to say.
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 02:05 PM

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XML is complicated and inefficient, he said. Fortunately, XML has been replaced by JSON, Crockford said. This gives me some confidence that we can fix the standards in the Web. This is our first success at that.



Yeah JSON? Never heard of it. XML itself is great... this guy comes across as a total idiot... I mean the kind of idiot you wipe off your behind and flush down the toilet.
AJAX is hard to develop with ... yes - but there are MANY successful very nice AJAX users (google, yahoo, apple), and great AJAX libraries (Prototype, Scriptaculious, etc).
I think the loser in this article is just mad that he didn't think of the FREE AJAX libraries himself and is mad that EVERYONE knows XML, and nobody has heard of JSON.
Java failed because it sucked. Javascript is NOT java. JSON? Uhhh... who is that?
Some people.....
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 02:45 PM

Yeah. Let's all drop open standards for Silverlight, so we can relive the 90s with IE. Is he out of his mind?
Giving any one vendor control of the Internet would be the most idiotic decision in the history of computing. The fact that he even suggested it destroys any credibility he may have had going into that talk.
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 03:00 PM

In the Family Medicine business, I see this all the time. We get a lecture, usually titled "Status update on (name of disease here)". It's free, sometimes even with a nice dinner thrown in.
Then the lecturer describes the history and explains why a specific drug is the One True Answer to treating this disease. (And gee, the manufacturer usually bought the dinner.)
I don't go to those lectures either.
--Ken (I am, however, glad to see MacWorld covering both the sublime and ridiculous and allowing us to make our own conclusions. A swincere thank you) Franklin
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 03:03 PM

Crockford offers the biggest load of crock I have read about programming languages and platforms in a long time.
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 03:33 PM

Summary: Nothing is working except one thing no one has heard of, which can't be used for much; everything is insecure and openly, explicitly, unusably so; and the entire web has fallen apart.
How do I come to be reading this?
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 03:39 PM

Although I question much of what Crockford said, JSON is well known in the web development world. It is frequently used as lighterweight option than XML. It maps easily to Javascript objects so it is used to send object data in Javascript. XML is regarded as being very heavy and many web services offer JSON as an option (AWS, Flickr, etc). But I would have a hard time saying that JSON is the only thing "web 2.0" has done right.
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 04:23 PM

He's certainly right about Javascript being a security disaster. It's no accident that the preferred vector for infecting machines has moved from malicious email to malicious web sites (and, worse, otherwise-trustworthy web sites that have been hacked to install malicious drive-by download scripts). There's plenty of phishing email going around, but the fraction of email that is directly infecting is way down, even with Storm worm going strong.
Should we be trusting the future of the web to a language that allows--if one hasn't changed the default admin password in one's LAN router--a site to do little things like changing the routers setting for DNS servers. Or big things, in the case of at least one brand, like flashing replacement firmware into the router.
No, we shouldn't. Should we switch everything to Silverlight instead? No, we shouldn't.
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 05:06 PM

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"It was really Microsoft that created all the components that AJAX needed," Crockford said.


What planet is this guy from? I love assertions without evidence. His speech is apparently full of them.
This guy clearly has an agenda, but is pretending to be a neutral evaluator. Typical.

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 09:42 PM

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"It was really Microsoft that created all the components that AJAX needed," Crockford said.


What planet is this guy from? I love assertions without evidence. His speech is apparently full of them.
This guy clearly has an agenda, but is pretending to be a neutral evaluator. Typical.

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 05:06 AM

The biggest problem with Ajax is accessibility, you know, blind people who use screen readers. There doesn't seem to be much interest from the 'software community' in improving this software. At the moment it is expensive, and crummy. It limits blind people and conscientious developers who don't want to leave them in the dust.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 08:03 AM

I do think Java's graphics libraries have left a lot to be desired. I'll give the author that point at least.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 01:19 PM

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Seventy-two percent of shopping carts abandoned because of poor user experience, Hoyt said.


Really? Well, I'd say 99% of my abandoned shopping carts are because I just decided I didn't want to spend the money.. either at that merchant in particular or at all. Sometimes I'm FORCED to add things to my cart to see the price, I might mention...
It might actually be 100%..
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