[schoonerman]

If--that is a BIG IF--as I believe I saw yesterday or earlier today, the basis of the way into iPhone was an exploit of a buffer overflow error, then Apple was correct to fix that error.
Buffer overflows can also be exploited for evil.
(I'm willing to grant the not-evil status of the programs I've read about being available, although none of them seemed compelling enough for me to install. You have to read that with the understanding that all three of my Macs are Input Manager hack free zones, despite Chax seeming tempting.)
--John

[tomtom]

NO SYMPATHY
Also you INCITED others to apply hacks to their phones which are now "bricks"
Irrespective of Apple's position today, I guess Apple will come to the rescue of you (whew - those liabilities) and others (whew, I thought it was a gonna) - after a day or two of letting you swet it out.

[Chris Breen]

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Yeah, we feel pretty bad about crisscrossing the globe and putting a gun to all these people's heads to unlock their phones. Worse yet, we covered their ears and eyes so they couldn't see our coverage of Apple's statements that unlocked phones could be damaged with the upcoming update.
You're right, tomtom, we were dumbdumb and we feel really badbad. From now on we'll report only what Apple tells us to.

[trinigianetti]

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Before the "shut up whiners" comments begin, let me dip my oar in here:
I'm also a big fan of third-party apps. I understood that given how tightly the iPod touch is locked down, Apple was likely to do something similar to the iPhone. For that reason I didn't "upgrade" my phone to 1.1.1. and I'm glad I didn't. Anyone who had either unlocked their phone or wished to continue using third-party apps should have thought twice before applying the update and I fault them for being over-eager. (Naturally I don't put Dan Moren and Jon Seff in this group as their phones had to take one for the team to see what happens.)
But what is irksome about this kind of thing is that it's completely opposed to the Mac Way. One of the beauties of the Mac is that I can make it mine by deciding how it's going to look, what applications I'm going to put on it, and where I'm going to organize the stuff on it. I really feel like my Mac is mine and I feel completely discombobulated when I use someone else's Mac because they've likewise configured theirs to their liking.
The iPhone with third-party apps feels like a Mac in this respect. I can apply the themes I like with Summerboard. If the apps Apple provides don't do what I need, third-parties are there to fill in the gaps. And those third-parties update their stuff on an almost daily basis. Other than locking down the iPhone what has Apple done to improve it other than adding the Wi-Fi Store (which I love, but will stay on my iPod touch only)?
Apple allows third-party apps on my Mac without complaining that they might introduce problems, why can't the same standard apply to my iPhone?

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Do you think if I bought an iPhone today that it would already have the 1.1.1 update?
I live in the Caribbean, where it is unlikely that we will see iPhone sales for years. I'd like to buy one and unlock it. Am I too late?

[swartzfeger]

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NO SYMPATHY
Also you INCITED others to apply hacks to their phones which are now "bricks"
Irrespective of Apple's position today, I guess Apple will come to the rescue of you (whew - those liabilities) and others (whew, I thought it was a gonna) - after a day or two of letting you swet it out.

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Oh please. How did MacWorld 'incite' owners to go out and brick their phones? The readers are curious, and we gobbled up every article on their collective modding efforts, knowing full well that it wasn't sanctioned by Apple. It's not like MacWorld trumpted with blaring headlines "Let It Burn!" and handed matches and gasoline to a bunch of helpless pyros.

[rozformw]

No one should be faulting the editor for updating, that is what you are supposed to do with Apple products.
I am really frustrated/disgusted with Apple for not letting 3rd party apps in the game. It just does not make sense to me. Some apps can't be done well in the browser. Besides it should be up to the developer to choose the implementation strategy.
In a way I am glad this happened because I want to focus to be on getting Apple to deliver legitimate support for 3rd party apps.
I find all these controversies sad too. It bothers me because you have this truly incredible ground breaking device and shackle it with bad decisions. Maybe single carrier can't be undone at this point, but having an SDK is all up to Apple I'd think. I really hope they bring out something soon.
Perhaps we could get a system based on iTunes that has an app/widget catalog. Some are commercial, some free like podcasts. Then we could use iTunes store to download them to phone. This would Apple the opportunity to validate that the app conforms with the deal with ATT. Its not as fun as all the cool hacks you can think of, but we'd on the road to seeing a lot of cool stuff created.

[krizoitz]

I love how everyone assumes that the iPhone, a device released a mere 3 months ago is not going to grow and change. Since Apple hasn't allowed official 3rd party apps yet it will NEVER happen right? Just like Apple will NEVER switch to Intel. Or Apple will NEVER release a video iPod. We are talking about a Gen ONE product in an area where Apple is a complete neophyte. Has anyone out there who is whining and complaing about the lack of third party apps considered that Apple might have good reasons for this? Could it be that Apple wants to make sure it has a good handle on the iPhone in actual use and refine the underlying architecture before they open it up for others to use? I mean can you imagine what kind of trouble Apple would be in if because they opened up the iPhone now and some hacker got in and took advantage of that to do damage on ATT's network? I'd rather Apple take a little time to ensure its got as stable and secure a base platform as possible BEFORE it opens the iPhone up to 3rd parties freely. I certainly HOPE they do because like the hackers and other who are seeing the iPhones potential, I do too. But you don't take a talented high school freshman and stick him at quarterback for the New York Giants. Some companies may be comfortable releasing half tested, half arsed products but Apple puts quality near the top and frankly given how they have done right by Mac users in the past, I'm willing to trust them a little bit longer. They have earned the benefit of the doubt more than enough for me, I'm sad to see so many of you turn on them so quickly just because the iPhone doesn't do everything YOU want it to...YET!!

[OM_user]

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I love how everyone assumes that the iPhone, a device released a mere 3 months ago is not going to grow and change. Since Apple hasn't allowed official 3rd party apps yet it will NEVER happen right? I'm sad to see so many of you turn on them so quickly just because the iPhone doesn't do everything YOU want it to...YET!!

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Well said.
Patience is a virtue that many people seem not to have. It's a young device. Apple never said they wouldn't open it up, they just said they wouldn't open it up right now. Give it time folks, and in the meantime, if the way the default device is set up is not to your liking, no-one is forcing you to buy one.

[NewGuyontheMac]

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no respectable article is ever going to state with 100% certainty what the iPhone's functionality is going to be after an update because Apple is never going to state that up front

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All the more reason to NOT update before someone else does. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[tomtom]

Spot on in my view. Others can do what they want but they will no longer make Apple's job more difficult.
Patience.

[thedaveed]

Free The Big Cat! Long Live OSX!!!!

[PBG4_Dude]

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Do you think if I bought an iPhone today that it would already have the 1.1.1 update?
I live in the Caribbean, where it is unlikely that we will see iPhone sales for years. I'd like to buy one and unlock it. Am I too late?

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Some Apple stores are already selling phones with the 1.1.1 update (NYC 5th Ave if the report I read is correct). This is yet another reason I'm holding onto my 1.0.2 iPhone. I haven't unlocked it as I already was an ATT customer but I have installed 3rd party stuff (last night actually as I wanted to try them to see if it was worth it to stay at 1.0.2). At this point if the signing / encryption is too strong to break, I figure my v1.0.2 iPhone is going to be a bit more valuable in a few months...

[NTropy]

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But what is irksome about this kind of thing is that it's completely opposed to the Mac Way. One of the beauties of the Mac is that I can make it mine by deciding how it's going to look, [...]

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I know what you mean but I have to disagree with this part (thus the selective quote). Apple has forever "known what is best for us". Themes to customize the way our Macs looked? Non-existant without a third party hack. You might say that least they allowed third party hacks. My response is that that it has always been the Mac Way not to encourage them or to actively discourage them.
The same can be said for updating drives or RAM, particularly on old 512/SE/Plus machines? Umm, nope. It has been a trademark slam from PC customizers for years. To say it's opposed to the Mac Way just doesn't jibe.
I'm not arguing right or wrong. I simply feel that what's happened with the iPhone has really always been Apple's stance.

[johnmcsoft]

Ummmm... I always thought Dan Moren was pretty alert, but it's really, really easy to get your photos from your iPhone onto your Mac. When I plug my iPhone into my Mac, it starts syncing. It also launches iPhoto, and the iPhone shows up in iPhoto just like any other camera. Just click the Import button.
Much, much easier than emailing photos to yourself!
- John