[ghp2006]

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After installing iPhone Update 1.1.1, Dan Moren discovers his phone is less useful than it was before. And he's not happy. <a href="http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/editors/2007/09/iphoneupdatereax/index.php">[more]</a>

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Well the fact is that an unlocked, jailbroken, and installer.app'd 1.02 is far more powerful AND useable then the lame 1.1.1 update.
My iPhone does what I want it to do, looks the way I want it to look, and sounds the way I want it to sound.
Apple, you can
Keep WiFi iTunes Store! /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
ajm

[DJRizzo]

This is why I will be sadly replacing my beaten up Treo 650 with a 680 soon. I'm mad at Apple for making me do that (without 3rd party apps the iPhone can not do all that Palm can do).

[drimwit]

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You're right, tomtom, we were dumbdumb and we feel really badbad. From now on we'll report only what Apple tells us to.

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Exactly. This is what I find shocking about peoples' attitude. I can understand the many people here who don't have technical backgrounds and buy the notion that it's the consumer's fault for modifying their phone, but just accepting everthing Apple says as gospel is just plain wrong. Talk about yer unthinking masses, consuming mindlessly.
I've been a passionate buyer of Apple products since the mid 80's but I've never accepted what they say without a critical attitude. Over the years they've made statements that are clearly self-serving and downright misleading. They're a comany, they're acting in their own self interest. That's neither wrong nor suprising, but we should be acting in our own best interest, not theirs.
I remember similar discussions about the Mac in its early days, and people said things like "if you don't like it don't buy it" and the answer was then as it is now, that the Mac was the first computer worth criticising. The iPhone is the first phone worth criticising, but it's artbitarily limited, underpowered and over-controlled like the early Macs. Apple gets things wrong all the time. As users enthusiastic about what the iPhone could be, it's up to us to put pressure on Apple to follow the right path. On the other side AT&T is putting pressure on them to hobble the phone, and that's going to get worse if we don't push back. We can't go to the competition, becuase there is none, so we have to be vocal about what we want. People who side with Apple are just willing to accept relative mediocrity.

[NewGuyontheMac]

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On the other side AT&T is putting pressure on them to hobble the phone

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Also on the other side are the teeming masses that find the iPhone in it's current state far better than any other phone out there. As this number increases, the percentage of users interested in 3rd party apps will decrease.

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We can't go to the competition

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No one should accept this argument. If there's a feature you want and the LG Prada didn't have it, would you buy it then complain to the company OR would you NOT buy it and send a stronger message? (I see a parallel between this and people who buy music from iTunes then remove the DRM. At the end of the day, the purchase is saying "I LIKE things exactly the way they are. Enough so, that I'm willing to spend my money to make that choice" ...regardless of what you do after you get it)

[iMacPr0n]

I have posted an open letter to Steve Jobs, imploring him to open up the iPhone to third-party apps. I titled it, "Mr. Jobs, Knock Down that Firewall."
imacpr0n.com/blog/070929.html
"You've given us a glorious new platform on which to make magic. Don't break our wands."

[drimwit]

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On the other side AT&T is putting pressure on them to hobble the phone

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Also on the other side are the teeming masses that find the iPhone in it's current state far better than any other phone out there. As this number increases, the percentage of users interested in 3rd party apps will decrease.
No 3rd party apps is a glaring ommision, I think more people will starting asking the question, rather than less.

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We can't go to the competition

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No one should accept this argument. If there's a feature you want and the LG Prada didn't have it, would you buy it then complain to the company OR would you NOT buy it and send a stronger message? (I see a parallel between this and people who buy music from iTunes then remove the DRM. At the end of the day, the purchase is saying "I LIKE things exactly the way they are. Enough so, that I'm willing to spend my money to make that choice" ...regardless of what you do after you get it)

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No, buying something means "this is the best value I can get for the money". Just becuase it's the best available doesn't mean it can't be better.

[ishan]

What a superband superbly writtenarticle. I have four iPhones for my family and updated all. I knew I would lose some excellent third party apps. I did, and I am hopeful that Nullriver and others will figure out a way to return to the "good old days" soon.
Having said that, I really would like the truth from Apple. I doubt that Apple just wasn't sure whether third party apps (I'm not talking about unlocked phones) would or wouldn't work after the update. They created the software and a 153 Mb download suggests they replaced all the firmware, and then some; they knew exactly what they were doing. Apple also undoubtedly has a plethora of additional iPhone apps in development or in beta, to further enhance their bottom line. That is their right.
From what I can tell, however, by using encryption in the updated firmware, they have made a deliberate and provocative position statement: Developers without Apple's blessing (and SDK) cannot create any third party apps. It is highly unlikely that any third party app would ever disrupt AT&T's network, as has been previously claimed by Jobs, so that excuse is invalid; if that was in fact the case, I certainly wouldn't have AT&T be my sole provider for critical communications links.
Despite Mr. Jobs' statement, the iPhone is far more than a phone and may well represent a version of what will be released next year as the "new" Newton. When the front page of BBC's website, not the mention the front page of the New York Times portrays the software update as sleazy business, that is unlikely to persuade new Apple converts to stay in the fold and buy newfangled high profit margin Apple-branded gadgets. It is also ironic, as others have noted that David Pogue, a respectable journalist who is clearly a fan of Apple devoted a video blog a week ago to all the excellent third party Apple apps that had been developed and were immensely useful to him.
I doubt Apple will suffer much financially from all of this controversy; Jobs' job is to protect the bottom line, and he has been doing that superbly. It just makes me wonder whether my next laptop (or my kids') shouldn't be one from the expensive VAIO-branded Sony product line. They are well-made, and though they may not run OS X, once you're in an application, the OS makes little difference. Perhaps Apple's marketing department and surveys do not reflect this new reality, or it does and they don't want to tell their boss. Given his reputationdeserved or notI can't say I blame them.
Ishan Bhattacharya, MD

[jonask]

The problem for us third-party app lovers is that some of the initial steps required for putting these apps on are the same steps required for unlocking the phone to work with other carriers. I don't believe apple is particularly interested in stopping these apps, but they do have a vested interest in stopping the unlocking process due to their agreement with AT&T. The unfortunate consequence of that is that the iPhone appears to be much harder to get into now after 1.1.1.
The firmware encryption key, which was available in plain text in some files that came along with the firmware before, is no longer available so easily. It's going to take considerably more effort to get back in as apple has apparently strengthened the locks.

[pixelcruncher]

Heres to the crazy ones.
The misfits.
The rebels.
The troublemakers.
The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently.
Theyre not fond of rules.
And they have no respect for the status quo.
You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them.
About the only thing you cant do is ignore them.
Because they change things.
And while some see them as the crazy ones,
We see people who are a danger to the iPhone.
Fall in line. Stop trying to make the iPhone your own. It's ours.
We're thinking different so you don't have to.

[NewGuyontheMac]

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No 3rd party apps is a glaring ommision, I think more people will starting asking the question, rather than less.

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It's not a glaring omission to those coming from some other phone that didn't have apps OR if it's their first phone (many people that would never have thought of owning a cell want to own the iPhone). It's a glaring omission ONLY to those that buy it wanting to install apps. Those that buy it wanting to install apps, unfortunately, made the wrong purchase. Luckily, there are other phones out there that you CAN install apps on, so Apple never really has to create an SDK since those that want one can get an openmoko when that comes out or some other programmable phone.

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No, buying something means "this is the best value I can get for the money". Just becuase it's the best available doesn't mean it can't be better.

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Once they've got your money, there is no longer any incentive for them to make it any better! What are you going to do, return it? You still pay the restocking fee, they refurbish it and sell it to someone else. Now, if it were to NOT sell, they'd have to scratch their heads and wonder how they could make it better.

[JMStafford]

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I miss having the ability to IM my friends from my iPhone.

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Umm, you can use the stock iPhone SMS app to IM with AIM and .Mac folks. You just need to have them IM your iPhone first. Your iPhone's screen name is "+1" in front of your 10-digit phone number.
The iPhone will give each person a unique 5 digit-code, add that to your contacts.

[NewGuyontheMac]

Nokia should take all the iPhone hackers off Apple's hands.
http://www.nseries.c...tml?l=campaigns,open#l=campaigns,open,landing
Heck, it's open to anything. I quote...

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We believe the best devices have no limits. That's why we've left the Nokia Nseries open. Open to Applications. Open to widgets. Open to anything. So go ahead and load it up. What it does is up to you.

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There you have it! Upset about the closed iPhone? Let them know by not buying one and buying one of the Nokia series!! Me, I just LOOOOVE my iPhone.