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Boot Camp beta 1.2 and earlier has already stopped working. To keep working in Boot Camp, you'll need to update to 1.4, according to Apple. more

[TeaEarleGreyHot]

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The license to use Boot Camp 1.3 or 1.4 expires when Apple ships Leopard

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Wow, so everyone who bought a MacMini or other Intel-based Mac, on the pretext of being able to use windows under the free bootcamp program, will now be required to buy Leopard, just to stay legal?? That seems pretty extreme, and is not the kind of thing one looks for in the fine print when agreeing to software licenses. One generally expects that things will continue to work with the system they're installed on, unless a very explicit warning is given before installation! Does this mean that BC1.3 and BC1.4 will stop functioning at some pre-determined date?

[TheBum]

To be fair to Apple, they have said all along that the current version of Boot Camp is a time-limited beta. Besides, it's my understanding that any computers already set up using Boot Camp will still be able to boot Windows after the beta expires; it's just that you can't change the Boot Camp setup after that time.

[mwheeler]

Why would anyone use boot camp for anything other than games when you have things like Fusion or Parallels?

[JMStafford]

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To be fair to Apple, they have said all along that the current version of Boot Camp is a time-limited beta. Besides, it's my understanding that any computers already set up using Boot Camp will still be able to boot Windows after the beta expires; it's just that you can't change the Boot Camp setup after that time.

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Like Apple won't do anything to stop 3rd party apps on the iPhone. Whoops. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
The EULA for Boot Camp should expire somewhere around 90 days after Leopard ships, not the day it ships.

[schoonerman]

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Why would anyone use boot camp for anything other than games when you have things like Fusion or Parallels?

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Actually, once I have Leopard (soon), and an Intel machine with a larger hard drive than my MacBook, I might very well go back to bootcamp. (That won't be until an existing machine fails.)
These days, I have one program to run under XP, and I'm usually not running the MacBook when I need to run the program. So I have to start it up anyhow, and booting directly into XP would be quicker.
I suspect my situation is uncommon, but--old as I am--I suspect I'm still part of "anyone."

[megatrick]

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Like Apple won't do anything to stop 3rd party apps on the iPhone. Whoops. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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They said that they wouldn't do anything to stop them, but they said if a software update breaks them they would not be spending time trying to fix it. So they are not going back on their word.
They never officially endorsed them, right!??

[folklore]

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Why would anyone use boot camp for anything other than games when you have things like Fusion or Parallels?

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Speed.
Here's two things I actually do that are dog slow in Parallels on my MacBook Pro C2D 2.33 gHz 2GB of RAM...
1. Running complex multivariate regression models in SPSS with thousands of cases.
2. Anything in ArcGIS - the redraw times are not good in Parallels.
ArcGIS and SPSS are the only two reasons I have to run Windows on a regular basis (other software, like HLM or AMOS, I use only occasionally). Some simple things I can do in virtualization, like data entry in SPSS or city-level maps in ArcGIS. But for the heavy lifting, I boot to Windows XP via BootCamp.

[jstephe]

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Why would anyone use boot camp for anything other than games when you have things like Fusion or Parallels?

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Lets see, it's FREE is a good reason, and it's faster and uses all the CPU Cores.
That said I have been using Parallels for a week now (Have to run both OSs at the same time) on a Mac Pro 2.66 with 3GB of RAM and it works quite well.

[kwill]

Bummer. Here we are in October and still not Leopard. I held out as long as I could but due to the timing of a promotional campaign, had to order a BTO 24" iMac along with the Adobe CS3 upgrade. (iMac has shipped but not yet arrived.) Since Adobe nervously indicated it was not guaranteeing immediate compatibility with Leopard, I figured Tiger if preferred in the short term. Unless Leopard comes out within the next 14 days, I may have to purchase it but if it breaks CS3, there is no point in upgrading. On top of that, I will be penalized by the EULA for using Boot Camp when Leopard is released.

[johnnydo]

i believe they did intentionally stop them. the 3rd party community is very capable and can fix the problem themselves. Apple chose to break and then lock down the system.
(why does the open source community exists --to do things ourselves and NOT rely on the great _ father to take care of us. Commercial developers choose to stand apart from the community and sell back there work for a profit. What is at debate here is how far apart from common people do the commercial workers(owners) want to stand. There was a time when people built things for the betterment of the group not so they can separate them selves from it.)
oh its only a phone... think again.
it WILL eventual replace the lap top and desk top, only this time the computer manufacturers will have total control.
i do professional level stuff on the mac, as time goes by more and more of my programs are made by apple..... video-final cut, music-logic. what's left some graphics by adobe. the trend is Apple will eventual write and OWN all the software you will need to function at a high level. will you need the platform open to 3rd part developers-no. will you care-no.
will Big Brother be here-yes. do you care-no. its a free market any one is free to develop a computer and write software do i care no because i will be happily working away with great software.
and Big Brother will be here and i will be very content.
that was Orwell's real fear.
who's Orwell. ha ha

[chewygoat]

I must admit that I didn't realize they were just going to take BootCamp away from us unless we updated to Leopard. Perhaps I should have realized it, but I didn't. Oh well. One problem for some of us is that our work won't upgrade to Leopard until they've done their own testing and they make a plan to roll out the upgrade, and put that in to effect. So it sounds like BootCamp will be dead in the water for me for a while. It's not a huge problem for me as I mostly use Fusion anyway, but none-the-less. As far as my buying my own copy of Leopard for home, that isn't going to happen now that it turns out that none of my Macs at home will be able to run Leopard. At home the newest/fastest machine I have is a Dual 533 MHz PowerMac G4 and the minimum is an 866 MHz or some such minimum. I'm both disappointed and relieved by that. I'd like to upgrade, but not being able to upgrade saves me money. I'm happy with 10.4 anyway. I guess I'll just wait for 10.5 or perhaps 10.6 or ... until some future date when I get a new Mac.

[TeaEarleGreyHot]

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Why would anyone use boot camp for anything other than games when you have things like Fusion or Parallels?

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Becuse Parallels does not support firewire, and our setup requires we use firewire/windows.

[hayesk]

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Here's two things I actually do that are dog slow in Parallels on my MacBook Pro C2D 2.33 gHz 2GB of RAM...
1. Running complex multivariate regression models in SPSS with thousands of cases.

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SPSS 16 for MacOS X was announced last week.