[neomorph]

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And if the program is free, would Apple even be willing to carry it in the store, given it wouldnt get a cut of revenue off of it?

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Possibly. After all, Apple's iTunes embraced free PodCasts a while back. And Mac OS X's Dashboard embraces free widgets-- Apple even goes so far as to maintain an online directory of widgets.
For now, I am also staying with 1.0.2 for the third party apps, and for the ability to use my phone on TMobile (AT&T will not sell service to folks in my region of the USA, even though AT&T customers can use their phones here).
While on the unlocking subject... I've read online suggestions that Apple sell an unlocked iPhone for a $300 premium (roughly what Wall Street estimates they make as a share of AT&T's services revenue over a 2 year period of time). As an early adopter, I already paid a $200 premium. No, I did not get the $100 rebate-- that is only for AT&T subscribers.

[RobK]

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The iChat issue, though, is somewhat countered by this: the official method of iPhone app development is to use web apps, right? And guess what? You can run any of about five different web-based IM "apps" today, without ever enabling third party apps on your iPhone.
So if it's OK to do via a web URL, why isn't it OK for Apple to do as a "real" app? Because that'd be too easy for most people, I guess, so they would use it, instead of going through the trouble of finding a web-based chat app?
-rob.

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I didn't read beyond this posts but I've always thought the whole iChat on iPhone thing was purposely omitted. I mean c'mon, if I'm AT&T I have a little contract dodicky that says NO iCHAT... when I can charge them for SMS messages.

[NewGuyontheMac]

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then somebody else did something about it and made a IM client. "Ok, let's get them".

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OUCH! But, you can't really blame Apple for that one. The desire to purchase an iPhone is really strong because they're really fun to use, and your strength at holding out until it had the features you wanted was admirable. When the app came out for IM, just like anything else, you have to make sure the vendor is going to give some assurances about their product. Without that, even though it's incredibly cool, the iPhone should have stayed a "Wait and see."
I think the allure of a device head and shoulders over everything else out there is really clouding people's better judgement.

[NewGuyontheMac]

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Personally, I know I'm not buying an iPhone until 3rd parties applications are officially supported, till the tie-in with ATT is over and some of other the current restrictions (see common wish & bug lists) are removed.

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Hopefuly the Nokia open source N series can lead the way.

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Well, they do plan to copy the iPhone, so there's a good chance. BUT with companies unable to compete with something as dead simple as an iPod, I'm not confident we'll see a contender as cool and easy to use, BUT it'll be open, so maybe those wanting applications will migrate over to the Nokia machines leaving the iPhone loyalists blissfully application free!

[JRtist]

For those not as fortunate or farsighted as Rob (and myself) to have held off on updating to 1.1, here's an amusing homage to the developers who have contributed to the iPhone community.
http://www.sproutly....iphone-hackers/
Just ran across on the "internets"

[thgd]

The iPhone has been out a very short time, just three months.
Maybe Apple would like to let their technology simmer in the wild for awhile before allowing others to change it's user experience.
Apple created the iPhone, third party developers didn't. Apple can do whatever they want with the development and if their decisions are wrong, they will lose in the marketplace.
I suspect, since they don't like losing, they will eventually do what they did with the iPod, expand and open the functionality over time.

[irene]

I know of one developer whose third party add on for iPhones continued working; he says it's because he followed Apple's guidelines.
See http://www.selznick....phone/index.htm

[cyrus]

I think correct to consier that when you buy the iPhone do you OWN it or RENT it?
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The Palm weird lettering is sooo cumbersome.

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A few years ago, I'd have told you to try it anyway, because you'd get over that quickly. Graffiti 1 was quite nice. The lettering system was strange, sure, but within a half hour it was second nature for everything but obscure punctuation. I found it faster than regular writing; in fact, I noticed that Graffiti 1 is still found on white boards around here. Graffiti 2 isn't nearly as nice.

[trip1ex]

Yeah I don't care much about the third party stuff. It's mostly a hassle and mostly ain't useful. It's really for those that want a hobby.
I experienced quite a bit of stability problems on the 2 iPhones I had and I'd much rather have the newest Apple update than any third party app. And honestly little features like not having to type a period at the end of a sentence is something more useful to me than any of the 3rd party apps.
I also believe Apple will do enough over the next 2 years to improve the iPhone experience. I mean some folks forget the whole premise of the iPHone is that Apple will update it over the coming 2 years. They are even deferring revenue (over 2 years) from the sale of iPhone to reflect these ongoing software enhancements/updates.
Also folks have to realize that not only does Apple want to control the phone, but AT&T wants to control their network. So some of these decisions aren't just Apple's alone. For example, AT&T wants to protect their ringtone and messaging business. Apple too no doubt wants to protect their iTunes business.
I really think Apple is going to get a large enough chunk of the cellphone business just doing what they are doing especially when you consider most people just have regular phones without a fraction of the iphones capability.

[doglesby]

First of all, there are security fixes in the update. It's not all about the iTunes wifi store. If you don't want someone else hacking your phone, it might be wise to update. Secondly, people have been arguing for open development since January. I, for one, am tired of it. I still believe that a real interface is coming. As Gruber points out, so does someone at Apple.

[griffman]

"Also folks have to realize that not only does Apple want to control the phone, but AT&T wants to control their network. So some of these decisions aren't just Apple's alone. For example, AT&T wants to protect their ringtone and messaging business. Apple too no doubt wants to protect their iTunes business."
Prior to owning my iPhone, I had a Palm. On AT&T's network. With custom (and free) MP3 ringtones. With a chat app. So what's different now that I have an iPhone? The fact that they share some revenue with Apple? If so, they should want to sell as many iPhones as possible, which means making them appeal to as many users as possible.
Sorry, but the AT&T bit just doesn't hold up well when you consider what any non-iPhone smartphone can do on the same network.
-rob.

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Now, before I go any further, I believe Apple was well within its rights to do exactly what it did. I understand that I (well, my employer) purchased a phone that wasnt designed to run third-party applications; that its Apples right to upgrade the iPhone however it sees fit; and that if bad things happen to my modified iPhone as a result of any Apple upgrade, its not Apples fault.

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And if you worked for any other company, you would be FIRED on the spot for installing unauthorized software on something that was provided to you by your employer.
Steve Jobs said they did not want to allow third-party applications, or hacks, because that would compromise the stability of the phone. And boy would people be [censored] if they installed a new app that crashed the phone. Everyone blames Apple for crashing apps when a new system version is released. I have never installed any Mac OS X hacks, and I have never had any problems with any system updates or Apple apps. People complain about the iApps crashing, and generally the problem is due to poorly written plug-ins modifying the program.
If you are dumb enough to unlock or hack your phone, then you voided your warranty and your contract. Look how much the iPod evolved in 6 years. Give it time and I am sure there will be more options for the iPhone, and maybe other providers too. Remember, AT&T was the ONLY company that agreed to contract with Apple for a phone. The others were too stupid to see the money at the end of the tunnel!
As soon as Apple releases an iPhone with more memory, I will consider buying one. I got a chance to see one first-hand, and it is the best phone out there.

[daledc]

Big Brother's name is Steve Jobs
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