[hgwells]

I agree with others: there's no excuse for this. Not only is the lack of compatibility a problem, but their failure to inform users prior to now allowed FM users to order Leopard on the assumption that FM would work. Had they mentioned several weeks back that it may take until some weeks after Leopard's release to have an update, people may have been disappointed, but not as upset as FM announcing this the day before Leopard is in people's hungry hands! Advance notice would have allowed advance planning and realistic expectations. And why couldn't they announce the compatibility (or lack thereof) of prior versions?! Does it actually take them that much time to run some databases with older versions? What, indeed, have these people been doing???

[Mycroft_Holmes_MW]

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...but not as upset as FM announcing this the day before Leopard is in people's hungry hands.

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FileMaker posted their notice last week. MacWorld just picked up on it today.

[Pennywigeon]

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So...... Can anyone tell me which applications Apple has on the market right now that is not 10.5 compatible?

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Filemaker is a subsidiary of Apple. Filemaker Pro is NOT an APPLE Product persay. I mean A GMC truck isn't a Cadillac now is it?
I think patience is in order. FM9 only came out a little over 90 days ago [shaking head] also they have deep level things to debug where other applications may not have needed as much "tweaking" in order to become compliant. As for the stock holders....
Why not let the experts solve the problem (programmers) instead of letting those who wish to speak about things they do not understand make claims that are unreasonable.
I would rather have a stable product than make all the kids out happy they get to use their new "cool toy" Friday night. ANyone with any sense will wait and test 10.5 before installing an OS upgrade on a PRODUCTION machine.
I guess Coverflow is a MUST HAVE.
Funny. It took Adobe many months to make their products compatible with INTEL PRocessors on an Existing OS and here people are whining because they can't use FM9 on release day.
[shaking head]
Why don't you leave compatibility up to the experts instead of trying to "coach" and direct from the Sofa.
PRODUCTION>TOYS
Patience. The whining is pathetic.

[jims]

As a stock holder of Apple and a snall business owner I do have the right to express my expectations for a company. My expectations may be higher than yours. If you think Apple is ok doing business the way it it, fine. I choose to look at the issue as a stock holder of Apple. Apple/Filemaker same thing. All profits are reflected under one ticker AAPL and anything that may affect the stock price, as stock owner I have every right to express my views and concern. I don't think acceptable for any SHIPPING Apple/Filemaker software product to not be compatible with the new OS As far as I know, every SHIPPING Software product from Microsoft was compatible with Vista.

[Imaginos1892]

OpenOffice and Gimp are free -- you can't get more entry-level than that. Google Sketchup is free. Why would anybody expend any effort to write limited feature applications when you can get pro-level programs for free?
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!

[jims]

Is Filemaker sticking its head in the sand? As of 4:03pm Central, there is absolutely NO reference to the issues with 10.5 and FMP 9. Is there really an issue ? Did someone decide to take off the information of the known issues? Did they release a patch?
Is the manangement at Filemaker really that irresponsible and in denial?
Inquiring users wish to know.

[Toe_MW]

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If I was Steve, I would be walking around the FileMaker offices this morning, firing anyone in any sort of management position.

[Pennywigeon]

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As a stock holder of Apple and a snall business owner I do have the right to express my expectations for a company. My expectations may be higher than yours. If you think Apple is ok doing business the way it it, fine. I choose to look at the issue as a stock holder of Apple. Apple/Filemaker same thing. All profits are reflected under one ticker AAPL and anything that may affect the stock price, as stock owner I have every right to express my views and concern. I don't think acceptable for any SHIPPING Apple/Filemaker software product to not be compatible with the new OS As far as I know, every SHIPPING Software product from Microsoft was compatible with Vista.

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You can express your feelings all you want. Whether they are realistic is another thing all together. As a tax payer I demand we should be on Mars by now. Gas should only cost $0.10 a gallon and all cars should get 500 miles to the gallon. I mean since I pay my taxes this should be reality right?
Vista shipped unfinished. It wasn't even fully compatible with itself nor much of the hardware that was currently in use.
Filemaker is a SEPARATE company (Apple is the Holding company) and if since you own a small business you would understand that this set back with FILEMAKER isn't gonna hurt Apple's bottom line one iota.
FILEMAKER is cross platform enterprise solution. What changes they make they have to make sure they jive with the Windoze versions as well. Taking a little longer to make sure something is RIGHT in the long run will benefit Filemaker more than rushing some crap out the door to help those that have no clue. That decision will truly effect the bottom line.
Ahh the Fastfood Generation Syndrome "My way right away!"
Everybody wants something. But sometimes you need to base your wants and expectations in a more realistic setting or throughout your whole life you are going to be very disappointed.
I am an Apple Stock Holder and no your expectations are not higher than mine. Mine are just more realistic and better geared towards actual business instead of a nice fictional land found in Wal-Greens commercials.
We are talking about FM9 and Leopard here. You use Microsoft as an example to look towards?
And how many users asked for refunds? How many users could not install it without HARDWARE upgrades?
Yeah great choice of analogies there.
You did make me laugh though.
Oh and I wouldn't worry too much. AAPL is still trading at around the 182 marker. I think the devastating news that FM9 not running on Leopard has not reached crisis status yet. Everyone can still sleep at night. The sky is not falling. Actually it is clearing.

[jims]

I wouln't run a company like that nor would I hire an individual that thinks its ok to be not on top of their game. If you check filemakers web site right now, there is no mention of the issues with 10.5. Its unprofessional regarding the posting of information and then deleting it off their web site with no mention to update status or any known issues. Filemaker is used in a professional atmosphere. This is not an iPhoto program. Like I said before, if you think this is professsional , so be it but looking at all the posts on here you are in the extreme minority and again, if I had a management team as lackluster as that, I would find a team that was on the ball.

[Macdev8]

Come on. You don't even own a copy of FileMaker!
Interesting that those of us highly involved in the FileMaker developer community who use it every day are not as concerned, if at all, with the current situation. This is more than evident from FileMaker's discussion board. Unfortunately, no, let me take that back, that only those of us that are allowed to partake in, can appreciate.
Again, it is the same bunch here that don't use or even have tried the product, don't have the hardware to run the applications in the first place, or the brains to understand what is involved that are so vile. For these guys, why are you here?

[pairof9s]

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I used to love FileMaker, but it seems to me that for years now their priority has been Windows. This announcement really didn't surprise me one bit.

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You're absolutely right! I noticed we didn't hear this shot from FileMaker when Vista came out.
Makes you want to pirate the son-of-a-gun when it does come out...cause bet your bottom dollar, it's gonna cost you when the compatibility does arrive!!

[pairof9s]

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Come on. You don't even own a copy of FileMaker!
Interesting that those of us highly involved in the FileMaker developer community who use it every day are not as concerned, if at all, with the current situation. This is more than evident from FileMaker's discussion board. Unfortunately, no, let me take that back, that only those of us that are allowed to partake in, can appreciate.
Again, it is the same bunch here that don't use or even have tried the product, don't have the hardware to run the applications in the first place, or the brains to understand what is involved that are so vile. For these guys, why are you here?

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[Mycroft_Holmes_MW]

Let me just lend my perspective to the group. I'm an in-house FileMaker developer in a mid-size organization (about 250 workstations), and we're currently running FM8.5. In the short-term, I'm not too concerned about a possible incompatibility with Leopard, as I'm sure a 9v2 rev update is close to being released. When it is, we can put Leopard and FM9 on any new machines we get, and start updating our existing computers.
I would have a problem only when and if new Macs that we purchase can no longer run 10.4 to provide that backwards compatibility we need to run FM8.5 (assuming FM8.5 also does not run in Leopard).
In any case, I still plan on doing my own testing with Leopard and any new revs of FileMaker to ensure everything works with our solution. I would suggest others do the same for their own solutions, as well as pay attention to the scuttlebutt in various FileMaker forums, as bugs are often identified there before we see anything in FileMaker's knowledge base about a problem.
Remember: FileMaker isn't a simple Address Book application. It's a complex application environment, where developers can employ a huge variety of techniques and elements to build a custom application. And that has to be able to scale from a single user file, to serving hundreds of concurrent users with a variety of types of connections.

[pmbx]

There is now an official statement now on the FMI web site. They won't be ready until November 19 at the earliest!
http://filemaker.com...rt/leopard.html
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