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Hmmm, the keyboard on my MacBook Pro is 10 1/2". I'm positive they could put that in a 12" design.
The MacBook Air: What you need to know
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 10:27 AM
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No, they will be laughing because you bought one instead of a faster and more feature-rich MacBook. Its perfect enough? Explain to me why Apple offers Final Cut Express on the AirBook page. How are you supposed to use Final Cut Express when you cannot attach a DV camera to an AirBook? Have you figured that one out? Just shows how stupid Apple is with this disaster of a product. A subnotebook is supposed to be a smaller laptop, not one that is the same size as the current offering, but crippled!
Yeah, how about that Apple? What about all those people who has to run Final Cut Express and connect DV cameras to their laptops on planes and taxicabs. That must be a vast market segment right there.
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 11:31 AM
Mike in Helsinki said:
I am buying this product because it is cool.
Most people I know buy notebooks to do work with, not as jewelry.
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Just watch. All the naysayers will be burning in the gut with envy when they see me in the Airport or cafe looking good with my MBA!
That's just sad, or are you joking?
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 12:09 PM
I'm making too many posts in these MBA threads so I'll make one last point.
When you're flying, what matters most in a notebook is footprint and battery life. If you can't open the notebook on a coach tray table it doesn't matter how thin and light and cool-looking it is. I can barely open my 12" PB without the hulk in the seat ahead almost crushing the screen when he tilts his seat-back. What I (and I, suspect, others who travel frequently) need is a small footprint Mac notebook. Yes, there will be some compromises but other manufacturers (Lenovo, Sony, Fujitsu, Toshiba, Panasonic and others) have shown those compromises don't have to be crippling.
As I've written before on these boards, wanting to run OSX locks you into Apple hardware which is seriously limiting. The type of notebooks I need exist but I can't legally run OSX on them. I have the admittedly vain hope that if Apple doesn't want to cater to my segmant of the market it will licence OSX to those who do.
Right now, my only option is to start looking at ways of upgrading my faithful 12" PB.
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When you're flying, what matters most in a notebook is footprint and battery life. If you can't open the notebook on a coach tray table it doesn't matter how thin and light and cool-looking it is. I can barely open my 12" PB without the hulk in the seat ahead almost crushing the screen when he tilts his seat-back. What I (and I, suspect, others who travel frequently) need is a small footprint Mac notebook. Yes, there will be some compromises but other manufacturers (Lenovo, Sony, Fujitsu, Toshiba, Panasonic and others) have shown those compromises don't have to be crippling.
As I've written before on these boards, wanting to run OSX locks you into Apple hardware which is seriously limiting. The type of notebooks I need exist but I can't legally run OSX on them. I have the admittedly vain hope that if Apple doesn't want to cater to my segmant of the market it will licence OSX to those who do.
Right now, my only option is to start looking at ways of upgrading my faithful 12" PB.
Peter
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 12:14 PM
How do you back it up? What it you don't have a shared network drive to use for wireless backups?
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 12:53 PM
Re: the "Useless" cube
I'm glad to learn my mainstay computer for the last 6+ years is "useless". Hmm.... ran OS X perfectly (bought Jaguar once it was available), handles mainstay software programs (Office, Firefox/Safari, Mail, iTunes etc.), and was fairly easy to upgrade (bumped up the memory, installed a wireless card, replaced the hard drive). Until my spouse bought a MacBook in November and I inherited a 12"PB, I happily used it. True, I noticed that it was relatively slow when working on complicated spreadsheets or some web apps, but it worked well, was whisper quiet, and was reliable.
The Cube was overpriced when introduced (I picked up a refurb after prices dropped for close to the price of one of the pre-G4 iMacs). Useless is idiotic hyperbole. It was also an iconic computer and the finest I've ever owned.
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I'm glad to learn my mainstay computer for the last 6+ years is "useless". Hmm.... ran OS X perfectly (bought Jaguar once it was available), handles mainstay software programs (Office, Firefox/Safari, Mail, iTunes etc.), and was fairly easy to upgrade (bumped up the memory, installed a wireless card, replaced the hard drive). Until my spouse bought a MacBook in November and I inherited a 12"PB, I happily used it. True, I noticed that it was relatively slow when working on complicated spreadsheets or some web apps, but it worked well, was whisper quiet, and was reliable.
The Cube was overpriced when introduced (I picked up a refurb after prices dropped for close to the price of one of the pre-G4 iMacs). Useless is idiotic hyperbole. It was also an iconic computer and the finest I've ever owned.
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 02:24 PM
Macdev8 said:
I gather you don't have a DV camera.
Are you sure you should be on any Mac related site?
Are you sure you should be on any Mac related site?
No, I just don't do video editing on a plane or at the office and I usually prefer a desktop with a large screen for such tasks. Is it this hard for you to think about this device as a pricey business tool just like a lot of other ultraportable laptops or a second "fun" computer as a personal gadget for those who can afford it?
BTW, 13'' widescreen is probably not any higher than 12'' square screens. Don't be a hater. :)
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 03:10 PM
total miss IMHO.
Those that buy this will be either the elite or the well off and frivolous.
Smaller and lighter is where most of us want to be but fuji is the only one I'm aware of with a great FormFactor/Capability vs $$$. The big problem is of course the windows thang....
Why can't steve and the gang do something along the lines of this..
http://store.shopfuj...do?series=P1620
Those that buy this will be either the elite or the well off and frivolous.
Smaller and lighter is where most of us want to be but fuji is the only one I'm aware of with a great FormFactor/Capability vs $$$. The big problem is of course the windows thang....
Why can't steve and the gang do something along the lines of this..
http://store.shopfuj...do?series=P1620
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 05:15 PM
Try this?
Cut out a dark piece of paper 9 1/8" X 6 5/8". Then cut a white piece of paper roughly 7 3/8 X 5 1/8" and center it on the the darker paper.
Now tape botht onto your current moniyor and try working within that area. Perhaps putting on a couple of pairs of latex gloves to represent the relative difference in keyboard size to experience working on a minitured keys.
Now if you really feel that you could work in those dimensions, please feel free to switch. You may really like it, or you may begin to understand why they are not selling.
Cut out a dark piece of paper 9 1/8" X 6 5/8". Then cut a white piece of paper roughly 7 3/8 X 5 1/8" and center it on the the darker paper.
Now tape botht onto your current moniyor and try working within that area. Perhaps putting on a couple of pairs of latex gloves to represent the relative difference in keyboard size to experience working on a minitured keys.
Now if you really feel that you could work in those dimensions, please feel free to switch. You may really like it, or you may begin to understand why they are not selling.
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 05:58 PM
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How about when you take your laptop on vacation and want to edit some video you shot that day? You cannot do it with the AirBook, no matter where you are. I can't wait for someone to buy the AirBook with Final Cut Express pre-installed, since it is offered for sale with the AirBook, and then call Apple to find out why they cannot connect a DV camera. And then ask Apple why they offer the software with the AirBook when it is impossible to use.
If the AirBook had a dock connector, then you could add the capability, which is the purpose of a subnotebook. Go out in the field with the AirBook, then return home and give it the capability of being a full-featured computer. This is crippled no matter where you go.
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hillstones said:
> No, they will be laughing because you bought one instead of a faster and more feature-rich MacBook. Its perfect enough? Explain to me why Apple offers Final Cut Express on the AirBook page. How are you supposed to use Final Cut Express when you cannot attach a DV camera to an AirBook? Have you figured that one out? Just shows how stupid Apple is with this disaster of a product. A subnotebook is supposed to be a smaller laptop, not one that is the same size as the current offering, but crippled!
Yeah, how about that Apple? What about all those people who has to run Final Cut Express and connect DV cameras to their laptops on planes and taxicabs. That must be a vast market segment right there.
Yeah, how about that Apple? What about all those people who has to run Final Cut Express and connect DV cameras to their laptops on planes and taxicabs. That must be a vast market segment right there.
How about when you take your laptop on vacation and want to edit some video you shot that day? You cannot do it with the AirBook, no matter where you are. I can't wait for someone to buy the AirBook with Final Cut Express pre-installed, since it is offered for sale with the AirBook, and then call Apple to find out why they cannot connect a DV camera. And then ask Apple why they offer the software with the AirBook when it is impossible to use.
If the AirBook had a dock connector, then you could add the capability, which is the purpose of a subnotebook. Go out in the field with the AirBook, then return home and give it the capability of being a full-featured computer. This is crippled no matter where you go.
