Apple to hold special iPhone SDK event next week
#4
Posted 27 February 2008 - 02:18 PM
I'd love to see them finally utilize the ActiveSync software they licensed from Microsoft to enable "push mail" support from Microsoft Exchange.
POP and IMAP are OK, but it sure would be nice to have it synch with Exchange for corporate users and those of us who like getting our email more frequently than every 15 minutes.
POP and IMAP are OK, but it sure would be nice to have it synch with Exchange for corporate users and those of us who like getting our email more frequently than every 15 minutes.
#5
Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:03 PM
If they start using ActiveSync I am done... I have several windows mobile phones and activesync constantly crashes and loses information.
If you are only getting email every 15 minutes that's your own fault, you can check it as often as you want dwimmerlaik.
If you are only getting email every 15 minutes that's your own fault, you can check it as often as you want dwimmerlaik.
#6
Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:53 PM
Have full sync of calendars both using iphone/ipod touch Apple Calendar and to do's and Even Google calendar using Busy Sync which was previewed here on MACWORLD after the show in JAN
Works great
http://www.busymac.com/
Works great
http://www.busymac.com/
#7
Posted 27 February 2008 - 04:20 PM
nmpike said:
If you are only getting email every 15 minutes that's your own fault, you can check it as often as you want dwimmerlaik.
I am well aware that I can manually check email as often as I'd like; however, if you'd bothered to read my post, you'd understand that I'm referring to push mail which doesn't require either manual (ie clicking on the button to retrieve mail) or automatic (i.e. phone checks email every 15 minutes) intervention.
Push mail does exactly what it says, when a message is received by the Exchange server, it is "pushed" out to the client. This means that email is received immediately without the delay inherent to "pull" systems such as those used with POP and IMAP email systems. If Apple has any hope of ever making headway into the enterprise environment, they will have to adopt push mail technology either through the BlackBerry Enterprise Server or Exchange Server methodology.
#8
Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:18 PM
I know what Push Email is... the point I am making is what is the point of push? Are you going to sit and wait for email? You have to pick up your phone / blackberry / whatever to read it... when you pick the phone up, touch the get mail button.
Push Email is why you need multiple batteries for blackberries... they eat through them like a lawnmower through grass.
To each their own I guess.. I never understood the purpose of push email being such a big deal.
I have push email on my iPhone with a little program I wrote on our mail server. When I get an email, it sends my iPhone a text message with a link to email, I click the link in the txt message and it launches the email viewer.
I guess that's called Push via text, and I don't have to pay dingleberry a stupid monthly fee to sit and send me email.
Not to mention, I don't trust giving my passwords to Dingberry... very dirty, untrustworthy company in my opinion.
mike
Push Email is why you need multiple batteries for blackberries... they eat through them like a lawnmower through grass.
To each their own I guess.. I never understood the purpose of push email being such a big deal.
I have push email on my iPhone with a little program I wrote on our mail server. When I get an email, it sends my iPhone a text message with a link to email, I click the link in the txt message and it launches the email viewer.
I guess that's called Push via text, and I don't have to pay dingleberry a stupid monthly fee to sit and send me email.
Not to mention, I don't trust giving my passwords to Dingberry... very dirty, untrustworthy company in my opinion.
mike
#10
Posted 27 February 2008 - 06:24 PM
I hope Apple never adopts "push" technology. If anything, the iPhone is an anti-Blackberry. All the Blackberry people I see are slaves to their e-mail, and they rarely look happy. Choosing when and if to receive e-mail is the true sign of accomplishment. My iPhone is set to check mail manually. Likewise, I rarely answer phone calls I don't expect.
Of course, if it's an option setting, let people choose their own level of submission, just like turning off a ringer.
Of course, if it's an option setting, let people choose their own level of submission, just like turning off a ringer.
#11
Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:39 PM
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I could not agree more. Push mail is a useless nuisance. I can get that topless brazilian girl or the 100th remake of a joke in real time and I am allowed to pay for it? Yeah, way to go. I fail to understand why this is such a big success in the US - you barely see any of these things here, not even in enterprises. It is no safe real-time alert system like a pager (especially with constant outages), so it will never replace it for surgeons, police members etc. and it brings no single benefit except wasting batteries and costing big money. Even in Germany I can get an email flat rate for my mobile for something like 6 USD/mth, set it to pull every minute if I want to (I do not) and be done. No need to submit my passwords to anyone, no need to carry an ugly and bulky example of bad design. Most email servers today can send out SMS alerts and this functionality can even be configured (e.g. only mails from some important senders will trigger alerts, only messages flagged as "urgent" will trigger a SMS etc.) much more flexible than push mail and no monthly fees required.
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I know what Push Email is... the point I am making is what is the point of push? Are you going to sit and wait for email? You have to pick up your phone / blackberry / whatever to read it... when you pick the phone up, touch the get mail button.
Push Email is why you need multiple batteries for blackberries... they eat through them like a lawnmower through grass.{quote}
Push Email is why you need multiple batteries for blackberries... they eat through them like a lawnmower through grass.{quote}
I could not agree more. Push mail is a useless nuisance. I can get that topless brazilian girl or the 100th remake of a joke in real time and I am allowed to pay for it? Yeah, way to go. I fail to understand why this is such a big success in the US - you barely see any of these things here, not even in enterprises. It is no safe real-time alert system like a pager (especially with constant outages), so it will never replace it for surgeons, police members etc. and it brings no single benefit except wasting batteries and costing big money. Even in Germany I can get an email flat rate for my mobile for something like 6 USD/mth, set it to pull every minute if I want to (I do not) and be done. No need to submit my passwords to anyone, no need to carry an ugly and bulky example of bad design. Most email servers today can send out SMS alerts and this functionality can even be configured (e.g. only mails from some important senders will trigger alerts, only messages flagged as "urgent" will trigger a SMS etc.) much more flexible than push mail and no monthly fees required.
#13
Posted 28 February 2008 - 12:57 AM
It's possible to have a Blackberry enabled device and not to be a slave to it. I have a work Nokia E61 with the Blackberry client from work. It is set to silent all the time. I check it for mail when I want not when it beeps (watch Merlin Mann's Macworld talk about this topic). The reason I want a Blackberry client is so I can carry a single device and not the 2 that I have to carry at present.
#14
Posted 28 February 2008 - 07:57 AM
Ok here comes the Sherlock Holmes bit,
Apple announcement next week about iPhone software "Roadmap". First item is iPhone Enterprise offering. Publicity picture is a Roadmap. Leading developer of ActiveSync push e-mail client is Dataviz with product called "Roadsync" whose logo would fit very nicely on said publicity map. Dataviz have commented in their own forums after release of iPhone that they would love to develop Roadsync for iPhone if only Apple would release an open SDK (!) which at the time they said seemed "unlikely to happen anytime soon". Now, it seems to me that some dots are being connected here...
Apple announcement next week about iPhone software "Roadmap". First item is iPhone Enterprise offering. Publicity picture is a Roadmap. Leading developer of ActiveSync push e-mail client is Dataviz with product called "Roadsync" whose logo would fit very nicely on said publicity map. Dataviz have commented in their own forums after release of iPhone that they would love to develop Roadsync for iPhone if only Apple would release an open SDK (!) which at the time they said seemed "unlikely to happen anytime soon". Now, it seems to me that some dots are being connected here...



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