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Leopard, four months later

#57 User is offline   downdowndown Icon

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 08:59 AM

"The problem with Spaces is that you can't mix documents from one program in different Spaces."

Reading your description of your problem, cdrehr, I wanted to say "RTFM," but of course there is no manual for Leopard. But basically, you need to learn how Spaces works: You probably have accidentally set an "Application Assignment" for Word in the System Preferences Expose & Spaces panel. In general the average person will be better off setting "Every Space" for all but a few apps.

When you first got Leopard, as a newbie not knowing what the workflow for using Spaces was, you probably thought, hey, I should "customize" it for the apps I use often. Setting a specific Space for an app is usually not what you want, and is an advanced usage technique. Just turn those suckers off, use Spaces that way, and see if you still have problems.

However, even if you do have windows jumping around among spaces, it shouldn't be that much of a problem if you are able to instantly trigger Spaces and drag the window where you want it (you do know that you can drag windows among spaces, right?). The best way to instantly trigger space is to map it to you Mighty Mouse squeeze button (button 4), button 3, or an unused function key. Button 4 is really best though, super fast and intuitive.
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#58 User is online   JScott Icon

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 09:06 AM

Oh Dan. You and your well thought out, reasoned arguments. When will you learn that those have no place here ;)
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 09:21 AM

Your first 'bad' point "...Leopard?s biggest disappointment. Back To My Mac promised to let you easily access your Mac?via Screen Sharing or File Sharing?from another Mac" for me rings very true. Indeed I moved a remote member of the family from her PC to a Mac because I expected to be able to help her using this feature. It is clearly not just me who can't get this to work then!! Very disappointing!!
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 09:59 AM

rickcarl said:

I think, if Leopard is going to be an operating system, it should operate the system and that includes dealing with drivers and hardware with which it connects.


And, of course, Mac OS X does exactly that--for example, Leopard provides built-in support for over 2,000 printers! Plug them in and they work--no driver installation required. I'm not sure what your issue is here...

rickcarl said:

The same with RAM if the only approved RAM is Apple provided and installed. That significantly increases the cost of Mac ownership.


Nothing like setting up a straw man then knocking it down, is there?

Apple does not require you to purchase RAM modules from Apple. You're free to source RAM from anywhere you like. Just make sure it's properly spec'd and configured. If you install junk RAM or generic RAM, don't expect a good outcome...
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 10:16 AM

Stability? Not an issue for me. My late 2006 Intel iMac is more stable under Leopard than it was with Tiger. Only one kernel panic since November, and that was an issue with an external drive.
I really like Time Machine, that has saved my bacon twice already in ways that SuperDuper! could not. I agree with the need for both, and will use SuperDuper! again after getting another large external drive.
I wish the Finder remembered views correctly, but this was in issue in Tiger as well.
Spaces is a disappointment, but ALL virtual desktops I have ever used on any platform have just not lived up to the hype in real life. Maybe the whole use case is just not what we think it is.
QuickLook is GREAT!
I was never bothered by the new Dock or the translucent menu bar. They work just fine for me, no different than Tiger from a functional POV.
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 10:19 AM

Leopard stability.

I've only had one kernal panic since installing Leopard right after it was released (I'm now at 10.5.2). So I regard this as very stable since I use my computer over eight hours a day. (Photoshop; web design; etc.)

QuickLook is probably my favorite new feature. Search/Spotlight now works with Boolean... YES! And Cover Flow for a digital artist (moi) is very nice.

Responsiveness is superb also with 2 GB of RAM on a G5.

Just thought of something else I really like about Leopard that I don't believe I've heard anyone else mention though probably everyone realizes it's there.

The 'Name' column can be expanded horizontally MUCH further than in Tiger so that you can easily read a long file name. Excellent!

Also being able to scroll in a background window (without having to bring it to the front and block your front most window) is extremely useful. I don't recall this feature prior to Leopard.

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 11:16 AM

If the folder is already opened simply type the search criteria in the upper search 'box' of that window. Then click on the name just to the right of "My Mac" (which is the name of that specific folder) and also click on "File Name" if you want to further narrow the search down to only that which appears in the file name.

This will allow you to search in only that folder. And either via content or file name depending on which you selected.

Simple really.
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 12:37 PM

Totally agree on the comments about kernel panics. I've had five of them (four of them after I installed 10.5.2) and I only had one the entire time I ran Tiger. I've been very disappointed in the stability problems.
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 01:09 PM

I can now pick up on the blue light underneath the Docks icons dam easily. Initially it was hard to see and I admit I was annoyed by the change.

Same sorta thing with the translucent menu bar. I now find it less distracting than the previous bright white one which, when you think about it, is the way it should be. The focus of looking at the screen should be on your open application.

Funny how change often first annoys and then grows on you.
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 01:23 PM

From this thread as well as on other forums... in Leopard the kernal panics may have to do with the introduction of Time Machine. And secondarily with the higher specs for RAM.
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 01:40 PM

deasys wrote: I'm not sure what your issue is here...



LOL, I didn't think you had a valid point so neither one of us should be surprised that you in turn don't understand mine. :D

You blamed Leopard instability for others on legacy/incompatible drivers and hardware. My point was and still is that Leopard must always work with any hardware. That's what an OS does. If it doesn't always work the OS is at fault.



deasys wrote: If you install junk RAM or generic RAM, don't expect a good outcome...



/me shakes head in wonder. You especially blamed RAM for instability. LOL, I checked several RAM sources and none offered non-speced, junk RAM. They all said RAM meets Apple specs.

The user has a hardware test disk to check system components. I think instability problems are Apple's problem. The user doesn't build the hardware nor write the software.
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 01:57 PM

Stability issues for me have been absolutely maddening!!!
Any other issues (including the mysterious X1900 visual artifacts that did not occur under Tiger) are piddling compared to this. My system freezes, requiring power button restarts, on a regular basis even with doing something so simple as opening a stack.
My MacPro was rock solid and trouble free under Tiger - The ONLY new thing is Leopard - all is not well under the hood with this one. Really. Truly.
BTW - no hacks, APE's, etc., etc., etc..
I do love Quicklook.
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 02:35 PM

I switched to Leopard when I upgrade my iBook G4s hard drive.
So far I am not regretting it at all.
There are a few glitches, but I've not run into any stability issues.
It also seems a lot faster than Tiger did (it migth be that my Tiger install was a bit messed up perhaps).
One thing I really do love is Spaces. makes my life so much easier. It is something that should really of been in OS X since before 10.2 imo. I guess because I'm used to multiple X11 desktops under UNIX/Linux I'm more used to working with more than one desktop.
I'm sure all the glitches will get ironed out over time.
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 04:59 PM

For what it's worth, I haven't had a single kernel panic, but I "upgraded" by simply buying a new iMac, so maybe there're installer issues.

On the other hand, I installed Leopard on my mom's iMac and she hasn't had any problems.

I mostly do Web and internet stuff, browser use, ssh, ftp, Web design apps like BBEdit, Photoshop, Illustrator, some Pages and Numbers, all day long. I don't install a lot of goodies -- I take the OS as it is.

My mom just uses Safari.
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