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12 Replies Last post: Nov 23, 2003 5:26 PM by JohnnyA  
Click to view Extabyte's profile New Member 64 posts since
Nov 15, 2003
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Nov 15, 2003 7:17 PM

Virtual PC

I am wanting to switch from windows to mac. and there are things that i can only do on windows. So i think the solution is virtual pc. Does virtual pc tottaly simulate having Windows? An can i play windows only games. such as grand theft auto.
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Click to view sjbartnik's profile New Member 198 posts since
May 31, 2003
1. Nov 15, 2003 7:55 PM in response to: Extabyte
Re: Virtual PC
What Virtual PC does is emulate PC hardware so that you can run Windows within the Mac OS.

I would not plan on having a great gaming experience within Virtual PC. I would expect gaming to be iffy at best under Virtual PC. What else besides games do you need Windows for?

Also note that Virtual PC is not compatible with the G5, so if you get a G5 you will not be able to run Virtual PC at all until Microsoft releases an updated version.

Click to view icerabbit's profile Enthusiast 1,008 posts since
Mar 28, 2002
2. Nov 15, 2003 8:15 PM in response to: sjbartnik
Re: Virtual PC
Unless something changed with version 6, up to 5 VPC does not have any graphics power. It emulates an obscure 4 or 8 MB little graphics card in RAM. Gaming beyond the standard games with Windows is pretty much out of the question.

icerabbit


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Click to view Nap's profile New Member 93 posts since
Sep 12, 2001
4. Nov 15, 2003 9:46 PM in response to: Extabyte
Re: Virtual PC
The emulation speed will be somewhere around one third of your native Mac speed. At least that is how VPC 3.0 works on my old 233 mhz iMac. I have the equivilent of a 70 mhz plain-vanilla Pentium, although it does have MMX capabilities. Takes forever to do any processor-intensive task. That version crashes a lot on my eMac so it is a good thing I still have th iMac running.
Click to view icerabbit's profile Enthusiast 1,008 posts since
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5. Nov 16, 2003 8:02 AM in response to: Nap
Re: Virtual PC
What I was trying to say was that you can play the games included standard with windows: solitaire, minesweeper, ... but not much more than that. Anything 3D will not work. Most games will simply not install (graphic card detection).

I don't want to generalize this too much, but emulated windows runs at about 3rd speed compared to a windows machine. VPC needs a lot of horsepower & RAM to run at a tolerable speed. It's mainly used for some office applications & double checking a website through IE for Win. You have to remember it loads OS X first, then Windows. The smaller the Windows footprint (98SE) the better it works. Without a fast Mac with lots of RAM it'll be slow like on a Pentium without much RAM.

VPC 4 with Win98 & 2k was doable on a G4 450Mhz Mac ... and supposedly v5 & v6 of VPC brought more speed (but then on the other hand you start dealing with 600MB windows 2000 & 1.5 GB windows XP), but I just reverted back to a spare PC.

I'd say save the money for VPC for something else. Keep that Pentium I or II (or?) around, clean it up software wise with a fresh install for when you need to run something on Windows. I know first hand what it is to switch and had the same thought on running VPC, installing some softwares in there I owned etc so I wouldn't have to buy those for Mac ... but I couldn't tolerate the lack of speed, so I keep that PC around for the 5% of things I need it for.

icerabbit



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Click to view JohnnyA's profile Member 550 posts since
Apr 27, 2001
6. Nov 18, 2003 4:18 AM in response to: Extabyte
Re: Virtual PC
I am running Windows XP Pro via VPC 6.1 and Jaguar. My G4 733 MHz has 1 GB of RAM so I allocate the max allowable, 500 MB, to VPC.
It's great for running MS Streets and Trips, and Agent (IMO the best newsgroup app around). It's convenient for accessing websites whose Java scripts won't run in OS X browsers. Version 6 integrates with OSX, so you no longer need (or even can) install VPC in a separate partition of your hard drive. You have to install Word for Windows, however, if you want Office compatibility on the VPC side. ActiveSync won't work with VPC/WXP and my iPaq Pocket PC.
Is it worth it? I find our old Dell laptop with Win ME a better solution when I need Windows. But if you don't have a spare Windows PC hanging around (and can't find a used one on eBay), and you MUST run some Windows business apps (not graphics-intensive), then VPC is an alternative.

Click to view proudy's profile Member 292 posts since
Jun 7, 2001
7. Nov 18, 2003 12:44 PM in response to: Extabyte
Re: Virtual PC
I would agree with these posts. I've used VPC from v2.0 thru v5, and it is a least effective way to run Windows programs, of the options listed. As fast as the VPC programming team streamlined and strengthened their software, Microsoft would add code to Windows software, and the end result was faster Macs didn't do any better with emulation.

I've also used SoftWindows (no longer around) and several of the old Mac Windows-PC-on-a-Card computers. The PCI cards were the fastest, but cost almost twice as much as a comperable second PC. Still not a good solution.
Click to view Nobody's profile New Member 58,347 posts since
Oct 18, 2007
8. Nov 18, 2003 4:15 PM in response to: JohnnyA
Re: Virtual PC
Johnny A

I got activesync to work on VPC. Version 3.7 takes forever to install but it does eventually, (stalls at 92% then picks up about 1 hour later). You may want to try again. V3.5 stalls at 91% but resumes after about 15 minutes, if you have a PPC OS older than the new 2003, you can use v3.5. I also use the missing sync for PPC and it works great.
Click to view Azzgunther's profile Member 473 posts since
Nov 12, 2002
9. Nov 19, 2003 10:35 AM in response to: Nobody
Re: Virtual PC
I play Star Wars: Rebellion, Command and Conquer: Red Alert, and other relatively simple games from back in the day on my computer with VPC.

I don't think GTA 3 or Vice City would run well at all, because they need a decent video card. That is VPC's failing; it doesn't support a video card.
Click to view JohnnyA's profile Member 550 posts since
Apr 27, 2001
10. Nov 22, 2003 5:21 AM in response to: Nobody
Question For Xander
Xander

Was out of town for a few days, so I only read your post this a.m.

That is PRICELESS advice, Dude! I had no idea that waiting would take ActiveSync 3.5 past that 91% stall, or that 3.5 might actually work under VPC with a 2002 PPC.

Which Windows version are you running via VPC? I have read that VPC with XP does not work (enable syncing), but that other versions of Windows might.

I'd rather buy another version of VPC Windows than chuck my G4 system for a new desktop PC. But that is exactly what I am considering. And, if need be, I'd spend $500 on a new iPaq with Pocket Windows 2003. Anything to be able to sync.
Click to view Nobody's profile New Member 58,347 posts since
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11. Nov 23, 2003 8:58 AM in response to: JohnnyA
Re: Question For Xander
I mainly use VPC Win 2k with activesync 3.7, i occasionally use XP-Pro with 3.5 but XP is real slow in VPC. 2k has been the fastest so far, (i can even run Autocad 14 fairly well). These combos have worked with PPC 2002 and PPC 2003 without any problems.
Click to view JohnnyA's profile Member 550 posts since
Apr 27, 2001
12. Nov 23, 2003 5:26 PM in response to: Nobody
Re: Question For Xander
Thanks!