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28 Replies Last post: Dec 7, 2003 7:22 PM by Czachorski   Go to original post 1 2 Previous Next
Click to view Daft&Dewey-eyed's profile Member 322 posts since
Mar 30, 2001
15. Nov 29, 2003 3:59 PM in response to: Macpaul
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
Couple possibilities here:

If your disc is too slow, capture will fail because of dropped frames. The solution to this is to defrag your drive or capture to a faster drive. However, this problem usually results in not capturing anything, so I don't think it's your problem.

iMovie automatically starts a new clip every time it detects a cut in your recording. So every time you turned your camera off and back on, or hit the pause button, iMovie will begin a new clip. This is a useful feature, usually, but you can turn it off in the preferences. Just unclick the box next to "Automatically start new clip at scene break" in iMovie's preferences.

iMovie is limited to 2GB file sizes. That means that it will divide up your captured movie into 1.99GB files and clips. This is a limitation of iMovie that requires upgrading to Final Cut to overcome. You can capture your whole movie in the little clips and then string them together on the timeline and export as a raw DV movie to get one file.
Click to view Macpaul's profile Member 339 posts since
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16. Nov 29, 2003 4:25 PM in response to: Daft&Dewey-eyed
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
Click to view Daft&Dewey-eyed's profile Member 322 posts since
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17. Nov 29, 2003 9:13 PM in response to: Macpaul
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
Sounds like maybe you need to do some disk maintenance. Disk fragmentation is the most common cause of a disk being too slow. The disk in a flat panel iMac should be able to handle video

Use Tech Tool Pro, or Drive 10, or Norton Utilities, or some other disk utility program to optimize or defragment your disk. This should speed up the access times of your disk and enable you to capture your video.
Click to view Macpaul's profile Member 339 posts since
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18. Nov 30, 2003 7:39 AM in response to: Daft&Dewey-eyed
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
Thanks Daft, I had read about that aspect also, so in preparation, before I began all this I did defragment with Norton although it was light. The tape has sound, should I unplug the audio cord and just try for the video? BTW, I've got 65gig clean and available. Better software?
Click to view Czachorski's profile New Member 67 posts since
Nov 26, 2002
19. Nov 30, 2003 9:41 AM in response to: Macpaul
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
Well, I'm stumped. All I can offer is to tell you that I have a Dazzle Hollywood and I am using it to do the exact same thing you are on my Dual 867 Powermac. For me, it has worked wonderfully, and I have captured all those old VHS and 8 mm tapes to digital.

Good luck!
Click to view Macpaul's profile Member 339 posts since
Apr 30, 2003
20. Nov 30, 2003 12:50 PM in response to: Czachorski
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
Well, maybe it'll work as is. I now have 28 clips = 1.58 gb. I'll have many more, but cant find a place in imovie to export to iDVD. Do they automaticly run together or how to put the clips back into a continous movie? I can't find these options in either program.
Click to view Czachorski's profile New Member 67 posts since
Nov 26, 2002
21. Dec 1, 2003 6:01 PM in response to: Macpaul
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
If they are continuous clips, just drag them from the clip pane to the timeline at the bottom of iMovie. Then there should be an iMovie tab in the options (next to audio, photos, clips, etc). You can use this tab to send your movie to iDVD, or you can select file>export and send the entire movie to a quicktime file at full quality, and then just drag the movie from wherever you exported it to into iDVD.

The 1.58 GB and 20 some clips just sounds wrong. That is only like 6 minutes of video. It seems strange that it is cutting those up into pieces for you. BTW - Daft, when you import analog from a bridge, iMovie does not recognize the scene breaks from your camcorder, because it is just a continusous analog source from your camcorder. I usually end up with a whole bunch of 9 min and 28 sec clips, as iMovie will automatically split the clips up a 2 GB each. Just FYI.

Good luck!
Click to view Macpaul's profile Member 339 posts since
Apr 30, 2003
22. Dec 1, 2003 7:27 PM in response to: Czachorski
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
Thanks again for the replys. I did find out how to put it together in the timeline(I read the help in a larger window and found 'next'!) and ran crons with McJanitor again. I did get some longer clips and managed to put together about an hour of video. WHEW! Life is a learning experience, and I need all the help I can get. I then exported to a Quicktime file at 320x240 to save for the time being. Before editing and the addition of a music track, it actually looks pretty faithful to the origional. Thanks again, I'll post of my success (or failure)
Click to view bull's profile New Member 90 posts since
Jun 13, 2001
24. Dec 2, 2003 8:27 AM in response to: muflyer
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
I'm interested in knowing that too. My inclination would be no compression, since an hour of 16-bit stereo at 44.1 kHz is roughly 600 MB, a small bite relative to the video file. But if one really needs to save space, what degree of compression results in the most acceptable reduction in audio quality?
Click to view Czachorski's profile New Member 67 posts since
Nov 26, 2002
25. Dec 2, 2003 7:44 PM in response to: bull
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
Ahhhh yes. Audio. All this talk about video and we forgot to mention audio. Being Mac people here, is there anything other than mpeg4 audio, the same audio that Apple uses for the music store? I use mpeg4 audio set to a rate of 48 khz (the highest setting), 16 bit, stereo. These sound great to me and offer a decent compression.
Click to view joetaxpayer2001's profile New Member 183 posts since
May 7, 2001
27. Dec 6, 2003 7:49 PM in response to: muflyer
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
iMovie is tightly integrated with iDVD.
i start iMovie and hit 'play' then 'import'. clips accumulate at the 9min 28 secs mentioned above.
you then click the iDVD icon (after editing and setting up the timeline) and iDVD will launch and burn....
Click to view Czachorski's profile New Member 67 posts since
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28. Dec 7, 2003 7:22 PM in response to: muflyer
Re: Archiving Videos via iMovie and iDVD
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CZ: Thanks for all your input! Being new to all this...I am still slightly confused. Is there somewhere to go to get step by step instructions on how you walk through doing this? I am assuming you start the archiving the video you have to a QT file which is created on your HD. How do you proceed to archive that on a DVD? Do you do it through IDVD? When you say a Data DVD is that a DVD-ROM format? How do you accomplish that? At that point, am I safe to clear the other video off my HD as I have a editable format in MPEG4? Finally, if I later want to edit the video how do I accomplish that? Thanks, Chris


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Ok, Chris. This is all really quite easy. We are on the Mac platform afterall.

As the previous poster said, I start the archiving in iMovie. That captures the video in DV stream at 12 GB per hour and puts it in your iMovie clip pane and the files are stored under the 'media' folder in the iMovie project folder. I then edit the clips and do some cutting as necessary, since there is usually a few seconds of blue screen at the start of the first clip and at the end of the last clip and such. I then drag all the clips that I imported to the iMovie timeline at the bottom of the screen. Then I export in iMovie from file->export. In the resulting dialog box, under the export dialog box, choose 'to quicktime'. You will then see a new dialog box called formats, choose expert settings and then click export. This will bring up the standard OS X save dialog box. Near the bottom of the screen, there is another export pull-down menu. Choose movie to quicktime movie, and then press the options button just to the right of the pull down. Once you hit options, you will see what might appear to be a cluttered and confusing movie settings menu. The top half of the menu is for the video settings, and the bottom half is for the audio settings. Click around in each of the buttons to find all of the settings that we have discussed here in this thread. When you are all done getting all the choices set up, press ok in the video settings, and then save in the quicktime save. This will export the video in mpeg4 codec as a quicktime movie. As I stated before, I can not remember if this requires the pro version of quicktime or not. I have quicktime pro, so I can not tell. If you can not do this without QT pro, I would say that having the ability to archive to mpeg4 is well worth the $29 QT pro upgrade cost.

To archive this to iDVD later, you can simply drag the movie from your HD to an IDVD theme, or choose 'import' from iDVD. However, as the previous poster stated, if your primary goal is the archive the video straight to iDVD, there is a tab for doing that right in iMovie. Just drag all your clips to the timeline in iMovie, and then press the iDVD button on the far right next to cips, audio, photos, etc. The only reason to bother with the export to mpeg4 is if you want an archive on your HD or if you want to edit the video later.

To edit the video later after it is converted to a quicktime file, you can either launch iMovie and import the video right into iMovie (remember iMovie can only handle 9 min 28 sec clips, so you might have do some cutting before importing), or you can do what I prefer to do, which is to cut the clips in quicktime and export straight to DV stream format. I usually find that I am only interested in making a movie from a few 20 or 30 second clips from my 1 hour movie. So I usually use QT to trim down to just the clip I want, and then I do an export to DV stream format right in quicktime. I then import the DV stream clips into iMovie. you can export the DV stream clips in QT by selecting file->export and the choosing the movie to DV stream export option. To save one step in the process, you can even create a new iMovie project, and then export your DV stream clips directly to the media folder of the iMovie project folder. The next time you open that project, iMovie will prompt you to add those clips to the clip pane.

When I say data DVD, all that I mean is a DVD that contain data files, just like a typical CD Rom, as opposed to a DVD that was burned in iDVD that can play on a standard DVD player. The apple finder is capable of burning data DVDs. Just buy a blank DVD-R disc, put it in your superdrive (of course you have to have a DVD burning superdrive to burn DVDs) and then drag your quicktime files to the DVD disc icon in your desktop or in the finder, and then select burn. Violia - you have a DVD that contain your QT files on them as backup. Personally, I use toast, because it is more stable for burning, and burns better to the generic media that I use.

At this point, you should be safe to erase the files off your HD, but I would definetely test the DVD file first to make sure it works. Play the video off of it, or better yet, copy the video file from the DVD back to your HD, and zip through the video and make sure it works fine from start to finish. You do not want to find out later that the DVD has a problem. Me personally, I keep all the original mpeg4 QT files on my HD and look at the DVD as a back-up to protect against HD failure. But I also have 3 HDs totalling 380 GB on my PowerMac.

I just made a command decision when I bought this machine that I was going to do it right and not mess around or skimp in any way. That is why I am on the Mac platform. Heck, it took me a few extra years of saving to be able to do this, but I am so glad that I have the set-up that I do to handle my massive video/photo/music digitial hub project. I have imported all my videos that I have ever recorded, all my CDs and all the good photos since my daughters were born (scanned about half of all of the pics we took on film, plus has about 3,000 digitals). My digital hub now totals nearly 100 hours of video, 7,000 photos and 15,000 mp3 all on my HDs available and ready for editing at my fingertips. The awesome integration of the iApps, combined with all my content contained in iPhoto and iTunes and the ease of use of iMovie and iDVD really has me in digital hub heaven. I love my Mac because it has enabled me weave some incredible master pieces using all my precious memories. Check out some of the video and slideshows on my web page. This video is one I am most proud of from my hiking trips, and This one is a pretty cool one of my daughter that I made for her on her 6th birthday.

Good luck!