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13 Replies Last post: Jul 14, 2004 8:29 AM by JohnnyA  
Click to view Cacker's profile New Member 37 posts since
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Jul 4, 2004 7:27 AM

What is the most widely used business program?

I was just wondering, in the business world what is the most widely used program. Or, what program is a must have in the business world? I probably know what the answer to this is already but I'm curious as to what other people think and for those that do run a business, what do you use to help keep it up and running.
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Click to view shades's profile Member 332 posts since
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1. Jul 4, 2004 9:10 AM in response to: Cacker
Re: What is the most widely used business program?
That is a wide open category... BI, CRM, desktop, database?

In large corporate environments, Excel is the number one desktop asset. Whether it is the best or not, it is ubiquituos.
Click to view co_no_pi's profile New Member 5 posts since
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2. Jul 4, 2004 9:17 AM in response to: Cacker
Re: What is the most widely used business program?
I guess you mean MS Office. I hardly know anyone without it. And those who live without it certainly run it on their second Computer.
Click to view shades's profile Member 332 posts since
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4. Jul 4, 2004 5:15 PM in response to: Cacker
Re: What is the most widely used business program?
Probably the one that comes to mind that has a Windows version but not a Mac version is MS Access. (Others might add MS Publisher, but it isn't really a business app). It would be good to have MS Access on the Mac; but of course, that would provide even more reason for Macs in the corporate environment.

Some good reading about Macs and corporate/business use (desktop and server) can be found at eWeek. Search for Mac and you will find several articles on the topic.

http://www.eweek.com
Click to view RonAnnArbor's profile Member 577 posts since
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5. Jul 5, 2004 5:51 PM in response to: shades
Re: What is the most widely used business program?
You did and said the right things...it is amazing how ignorant people are out there!..Microsoft Office is far and away the most popular business software, and Excel and Word are the indispensible programs across all business platforms.

This guy had no idea what he was asking for, and was obviously just trying to be intelligent for his daughter (who will get to school with her cheapo HP laptop and sit in envy of what all her friends can do with their powerbooks).

And if he thinks that his daughter in school will be using her laptop 5 years from now when she has graduated in business, then he is as ignorant about the life of electronics as he is of the software they can run.

By the way, though, working at Best Buy (which is not an Apple dealer) isn't that sort of like Santa Clause sending buyers to Gimbals instead of Macy's own stock? Hehe...good for you!

Click to view sandbagger's profile New Member 155 posts since
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7. Jul 11, 2004 10:35 PM in response to: shades
Re: What is the most widely used business program?
MS Project. not having Access is occasionally inconvenient, but I know very few people who actually use it in a normal day's work. On the other hand, just about everything nowadays is a "project" and that just kills the Mac users. FastTrack is supposed to work with Project - and in my experience a much easier to use program - but it's generally not on the IT list of apps so it can be difficult to get. (Ironically, FastTrack has a Windoze version, but everyone wants the big M$.)

actually, it gets worse now that I think about it, and I may know what he's talking about. "enterprise" applications. my company converted to SAP last year and promised everyone a "web" interface. they lied. actually, I don't think anyone specifically promised Mac compatibility, they just didn't make any effort to correct those who wrongly inferred it. Once the system was up and running (at very big $$) we learned that "web" was really "web according to Microsoft." and that meant - you guessed it - IE running on Windoze. period. the next 'big thing' we're told is a new single-signon for the intranet. haven't seen the final, but what I've seen - using Win2K - would only work with IE. Wouldn't surprise me - given our CIO's public anti-Mac posture - if the Macs were shut out.

Sadly, just as OS X is making the Mac a better corporate citizen (sometimes better than Windoze!), the wars against them seem even more intense.
Click to view nkasuri1's profile Member 463 posts since
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8. Jul 12, 2004 4:19 AM in response to: sandbagger
Re: What is the most widely used business program?
See thats the problem. Its not that Mac's don't have business applications availible on them. The problem is that companies sometimes set up their infrastructures in a manner that only supports MS proprietary products. The funny thing is, it is often more inconveniant to do it this way. If you use platform agnostic server software, it is much easier to run and maintain a network. It also requires very little configuration on the client end and gives you much more flexibility in terms of what hardware and software you can use.

One of the reasons that IT departments set up such MS centric environments, I think, is job security. If they use non MS products they may be held responsible if something goes wrong. With MS products people will get more laditude becuase they went with the known name. I cant stand networks that use MS Exchange Server, with their proprietary directory and login systems. It's so much easier to use opensourse solutions like Sendmail.

I've actually found that even using MS Windows clients, one is more restricted when using a MS proprietary solutions. Non Windows solutions are usually built with ease of use and flexiblity in mind. This gives you much more freedom on the network even when you're using a Windows system.

I know what I'm talking about here because I have worked with two networks that follow completely different design philosophies. I personally own and ISP, and our network is completely based on Open Source server solutions. We can't have any proprietary, lock in, kind of systems becuase we don't know what our clients will be using. On the other hand, we also have another company where the entire network is based completely on MS proprietary technologies. The network is overcomplicated, and often needs pointless client end software for things just to work.

So basically, a lot of IT departments are just stupid (or incompetant). A platform agnostic network is much easier to set up and maintain. The client side is much easier to manage. So no, Macs don't lack anything in terms of business software. If systems are deoployed using a modicum of sense, a Mac, Linux, Windows, Solaris, etc.. machine would be equally at home.
Click to view happymac's profile Member 488 posts since
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9. Jul 12, 2004 8:10 AM in response to: RonAnnArbor
Re: What is the most widely used business program?
Best Buy DOES sell Apple stuff now.
Click to view shades's profile Member 332 posts since
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10. Jul 12, 2004 8:39 PM in response to: sandbagger
Re: What is the most widely used business program?
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MS Project. not having Access is occasionally inconvenient, but I know very few people who actually use it in a normal day's work.

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Not sure if you have worked in a corporate environment, but Access databases are a dime-a-dozen. I work with people everyday who use Access (as do I). Access DBs are used extensively. I work for a Fortune 100 company. I have no alternative to using MS Access, as do all other analysts. Yes, IT has Oracle, etc., but what we can use for our work, Access is the only option.
Click to view sandbagger's profile New Member 155 posts since
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11. Jul 13, 2004 11:48 PM in response to: shades
Re: What is the most widely used business program?
have worked in Fortune 100 many years. yes, we have a few Access dbs, but nothing serious - it's not a serious db. I know that's going to offend a few access programmers, but I'm only judging by what I've seen. That and the fact that our IT won't allow ANY M$ db to operate on the extranet due to security holes. (gee, that's a surprise) Access isn't even part of the standard IT image installed on new PCs, even though it's part of the license and already paid for. I realize that Access can/is used as a backend db for web apps without need to install on pc - but still needing windoze/IE to use - but the security issues constrain its use. So much so that there is now a push to convert all the MS SQL stuff to Oracle, and the Access dbs are being restricted even in the internal intranet.

Project - at least in my biz (aerospace) - is almost a standard install in many areas (ie, anyplace where we actually design and/or build something). (plus a sprinkling of Primavera and a couple others I can't remember)

then there's SAP which is a real problem - at least if I want to get paid. that's how we have to enter our time every day. argh.
Click to view sandbagger's profile New Member 155 posts since
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12. Jul 14, 2004 12:40 AM in response to: nkasuri1
Re: What is the most widely used business program?
well said.

actually, I've found most IT departments - on the whole - to be both stupid AND incompetent (though they often have very good individuals who are neither).

your post reminds me of an old cliche from the days when IBM was well into its decline as a PC supplier but the clones had not reached legitimate status. We all knew the IBM systems had serious problems, but a seasoned IT manager told me: " nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." I suspect that applies to MS today.
Click to view JohnnyA's profile Member 550 posts since
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13. Jul 14, 2004 8:29 AM in response to: RonAnnArbor
Re: What is the most widely used business program?
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You did and said the right things...it is amazing how ignorant people are out there!..Microsoft Office is far and away the most popular business software, and Excel and Word are the indispensible programs across all business platforms.

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Not only that - Office 2004 for OS X has features that Office for Wintel users can only drool about. Like copy and paste that automatically asks you if you want the copied text to convert to the recipient doc's font and size.