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8 Replies Last post: Aug 23, 2004 11:22 PM by Beavis2084  
Click to view George_Oster's profile New Member 65 posts since
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Aug 18, 2004 8:35 PM

WiFi through a router

My DSL modem goes to a Linksys router, and via Ethernet to my computer and to my Airport Extreme Base Station. But I can't see my Airport Express from my computer (says I need an Airport card!?), nor can I have the AX join my Base Station network. So they have to be two separate networks.

This arrangement should work, no? Am I doing anything wrong?
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Click to view drmbb's profile Old Hand 2,353 posts since
Jun 14, 2001
1. Aug 19, 2004 8:25 AM in response to: George_Oster
Re: WiFi through a router
If I'm interpreting your setup correctly, then yes, you need an airport card in the computer. In other words, your Airport Base Station won't act as a bridge to the AEx unit via your router - you'll need to talk to the base station via 802.11 wireless to see the AEx unit.

My suggestion would be, get an airport card, dump the Linksys router, plug the DSL modem via ethernet into the Airport Base Station and just go wholly wireless.
Click to view car1son's profile Enthusiast 1,349 posts since
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3. Aug 19, 2004 9:24 AM in response to: drmbb
Re: WiFi through a router
The Airport Express is a little out of my experience, but if you permit me to speculate anyway ...

I think the problem is going to end up being related to the fact that your Linksys router is assigning IP addresses in the 192.168 sub network, while your Airport Extreme Base Station and Airport Express are both assigning IP addresses many in see the 10.0 sub network. (This is the way they are set up when they are shipped.) In order for your desktop, which I assume is obtaining an IP address from the Linksys router via DHCP, to communicate with the Airport Extreme Base Station and thus to the Airport Express, I think they are going to have to get on the same subnetwork.

Before I try to suggest some possible ways to check this theory with possible solutions, can you tell me more about your network?

Have you turned on WDS as Apple instructed? on both AEBS and AX?

Did you previously disable "Distribute IP addresses" on the Airport Extreme Base Station in order to facilitate the vacation between your Linksys-wired desktop and many WiFi clients you have?

For a start, how many computers do you have? Is it just the one desktop? Are there WiFi clients connected to the Airport Extreme Base Station, other than the Airport Express? If there is just the one desktop, have you considered removing the Linksys router altogether? You could use the Airport Extreme Base Station as your only router, connecting your broadband service to its WAN port and your desktop Mac to its LAN port.

Click to view car1son's profile Enthusiast 1,349 posts since
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4. Aug 19, 2004 9:39 AM in response to: George_Oster
Re: WiFi through a router
Sorry, George, I hadn't read your second post in this thread before making my previous post. It took me too long to write it, I guess.

You are not necessarily stuck. I can think of a couple of ways to proceed.

Is the Airport Extreme Base Station close to the Linksys router? If so, it is still an option to use the Airport Extreme Base Station as your primary router, by converting the Linksys router into a simple switch. To do this:

Connect your broadband service to the WAN port on the Airport Extreme Base Station. Connect to the LAN port of the Airport Extreme Base Station to one of the LAN ports of the Linksys router. Use one of the wired clients of the Linksys router to access the Linksys administration page (http://192.168.1.1), and go to the DHCP tab. Disable DHCP on the Linksys router; click Apply. The Linksys router will now have nothing connected to its WAN port and will not assign IP addresses. Configure the Airport Extreme Base Station with the Airport Admin Utility as your primary router by filling in information on the "Internet" tab for connecting (via PPPoE I assume) to your ISP (essentially the same information on the set up tab from your old Linksys configuration.)

This will, of course, temporarily disrupt any connections the other computers on the network have, but as soon as they are restarted they should be assigned IP addresses by the DHCP server in the Airport Extreme Base Station in the 10.0 range used by Apple. (You should be able to verify this in System Preferences / Network panel; Show: Built-in Ethernet. TCP/IP Tab. "IP Address:" should be 10.0.1.***.)
Click to view car1son's profile Enthusiast 1,349 posts since
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5. Aug 19, 2004 9:48 AM in response to: George_Oster
Re: WiFi through a router
One additional note:
Once all your computers have obtained IP addresses through the Airport Extreme Base Station on the 10.0 sub network, you will find that they can no longer access the Linksys administration web pages http://192.168.1.1. If you need to get back to the Linksys again, you will need to set up a manual IP address, such as 192.168.1.20, on the Mac (using System Preferences, Network panel; Show: Built-In Ethernet; TCP/IP tab; Configure: Manually. (example) ) You may find it convenient to set up a separate network "Location" to record these values for easy access.
Click to view Beavis2084's profile New Member 19 posts since
Jul 13, 2004
6. Aug 19, 2004 10:07 AM in response to: George_Oster
Re: WiFi through a router
from the looks of this, you may have fixed it all... but incase you did not...

the clue here is in your original config, you had 2 networks going on.

after switching that "distribute" deal off, you should have fixed it all.

your router will serve DHCP address thru the Airport, and all should be great.

i use the following network:

<pre>code:<hr>
CABLEMODEM ---> ROUTER --+--> AIRPORT #1 --+--(WIFI)--> AIRPORT #2 --+--(ETHERNET)--> XBOX
| | |
+--> G5 +--(USB)--> PRINTER +--(USB)--> PRINTER
| | |
+--> PRINTER +--(WIFI)--> POWERBOOK +--(WIFI)--> POWERBOOK
|
+--> LINUX BOX
</pre><hr>

the reason for the 2 airports is to flood the house with signal for the powerbook, and or any APEs i add in later as i have several stereos around the house. also, it allows me to be on any patio around the immediate perimiter of the home for outdoor internet access. mind you this drops off about 20 feet or so from any wall, but it works.

the entire network is on 192.168.0.1/24 - so everything talks to everything.

the 2 airports are essentially just passing along the router's DHCP. so everything gets address from it.

note that the xbox also uses the router's DHCP, and it has a long trip, and still works fine...

modem --> router --> airport 1--(wifi)--> airport 2--(eth)--> xbox

Also, all the printers are browsable from everyone too. i can print to any of them from any system.


Click to view car1son's profile Enthusiast 1,349 posts since
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7. Aug 19, 2004 10:37 AM in response to: Beavis2084
Re: WiFi through a router
The reason I suggested making the Airport Extreme Base Station the DHCP server in George's network (instead of the Linksys) is that according to the Apple documentation, in order to use the WDS wireless bridge feature between the Airport Extreme Base Station and the Airport Express, "Distribute IP addresses" must be turned on in the Airport Extreme Base Station. Therefore, in George's case I think it's best that the Linksys become the passive switch.
Click to view Beavis2084's profile New Member 19 posts since
Jul 13, 2004
8. Aug 23, 2004 11:22 PM in response to: car1son
Re: WiFi through a router
i can understand that, however, since i don't have an APE yet, i cant test it's reach-ability to say a most extreme point on the network, but i do believe that if George's network is setup similarly, he will have no problem. knowing nothing else about the APE device except that it is a typical WiFi network appliance, I would bet that the real requirements to reach it is that it must reside in the same subnet, not much more.

in any case, i figured sharing my setup with those trying to make other complex network setups work may help.