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Click to view MW Forums's profile New Member 12,220 posts since
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Sep 16, 2004 11:50 AM

Bose debuts SoundDock for iPod

Bose has introduced the SoundDock digital music system, specifically designed for Apple Computer Inc.'s third and fourth-generation iPods and its iPod mini. A dock cradles the iPod or iPod mini while keeping controls accessible and charging the battery. The new speaker system sports an infrared remote control that operates both the SoundDock and the iPod, and features what Bose describes as "a proprietary acoustic design that delivers clear, full sound across the entire musical spectrum." The SoundDock measures 6 5/8 x 11 7/8 x 6 1/2 inches. It will be available directly from Bose and through Apple retail stores for US$299. more
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Click to view mgescuro's profile New Member 26 posts since
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1. Sep 16, 2004 12:08 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Bose debuts SoundDock for iPod
Whoo hoo!!! This looks AWESOME!!!!!
Click to view I_like_Macs's profile New Member 14 posts since
Aug 14, 2004
2. Sep 16, 2004 12:09 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Bose debuts SoundDock for iPod
it looks nice, and probably has great build quality, but bose makes pretty much the worst-sounding speakers in the world and charges an arm and a leg for it. the company has made a name for itself through misleading advertisements and a team of corporate lawyers who sue anyone who even comes close to copying their patents and trademarks. not as evil as, say microsoft, but the equivalent in the audio business.
Click to view mattwardfh's profile New Member 3 posts since
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3. Sep 16, 2004 12:34 PM in response to: I_like_Macs
Re: Bose debuts SoundDock for iPod
Well, Bose products are not awful sounding, just thoroughly mediocre and overpriced. You could do a whole lot worse, but at the price, you could do a whole lot better, too. It's their over-hyped nature that's led to the widespread hatred of them.
Click to view adobephile's profile Member 554 posts since
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4. Sep 16, 2004 12:35 PM in response to: I_like_Macs
What a crock!
I couldn't be happier with my Wave Radio/CD player which I got a few years ago.

It think it's well worth the $500 my wife paid for it. Looking at the label on the bottom, it says "Made in U.S.A from domestic and foreign components." It has the look and feel of quality, and I like its sound, its appearance, and its compact size.

The vague, non-specific, disparaging remarks in your post make its credibility strongly suspect.

Click to view mattwardfh's profile New Member 3 posts since
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5. Sep 16, 2004 1:26 PM in response to: adobephile
Re: What a crock!
Cambridge Soundworks makes a similar model for about $300. I've not done any in depth comparison of the two, but my limited impression is that they sound about the same. Or, for closer to $150, you could hook a CD player up to Tivoli's Model One radio. Or for about the same price, grab a set of Klipsch's ProMedia 2.1 speakers and a CD player and it would probably sound better. $500 is way too much for a boombox, even one that's well-made.

In fact, I'd reccomend the Klipsch speakers and an Apple iPod Dock to anyone considering this Bose product, though I have to admit that the all-in-one design is nice. And I'm sure it does sound better than Altec Lansing's inMotion speakers, though at that price, it should.
Click to view worldjazz's profile New Member 5 posts since
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6. Sep 16, 2004 1:39 PM in response to: I_like_Macs
Re: Bose attracts dumb bashers because of success!
Bose makes extremely high-quality, innovative products. They employ tens of thousands of Americans. If they were "junk", they wouldn't have such high consumer ratings with Consumer Reports and other independent organizations, nor would they have such comprehensive warranties.

And I for one am happy when companies aggressively protect their intellectual property from theft.

Some people just can't stand success, and attempt to tear down those who have worked to achieve.
Click to view adobephile's profile Member 554 posts since
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7. Sep 16, 2004 2:11 PM in response to: mattwardfh
Yet another crock.
You buy-the-cheapest, gotta-get-it-for-less geeks are something else. $500 is way too much? No it isn't. The Bose Wave Radio is a sweet little unit all in one. Buy it and plug it in, and it works great, sounds great. No muss. No fuss. I'm not about to dink around trying to piece together parts from different places and MAYBE get something that sound better. Ridiculous.
Click to view d00d's profile Macworld Editorial 12,136 posts since
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8. Sep 16, 2004 2:20 PM in response to: adobephile
Re: Yet another crock.
I have to agree with adobephile here. I was absolutely blown away by my brother's. Not only did it work great in his bedroom, but we tried in a cathedral ceilinged room with HORRID acoustics and it sounded amazing, FWIW.
Click to view mattwardfh's profile New Member 3 posts since
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9. Sep 16, 2004 5:25 PM in response to: adobephile
Re: Yet another crock.
OK, feel free to disagree. But a couple of points:

I wouldn't trust consumer reports to competently review an audio product any more than I would expect them to competently review a computer. They're good for repair records and things like that, but not for their subjective opinions.

Second, a Bose system may sound great to you, if you haven't had the chance to spend any time with anything better. I lucked into a purchase of a pair of Grado headphones, which taught me what good audio equipment sounds like. When it came time to shop for speakers, I listened to Bose, Polk, etc. and they weren't good enough. Thankfully, I heard a pair of NHT speakers that blew me away.

But it's an expensive habit. Ignorance is bliss.
Click to view mikek836's profile New Member 45 posts since
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10. Sep 16, 2004 8:19 PM in response to: worldjazz
Hardly success, more sound...one man's opinion...
While you are certainly entitled to that opinion (just like the rest of us on this forum), I can speak from some experience. I spent 5 years selling audio systems, and prior to my employment, I too thought that Bose was the epitome of excellence in audio. But the more I sold, the more I learned. And the more I learned, the more I discovered all of the shortcuts that Bose took and the incredibly large profit margins they maintained. Now I have no problem with a company making money, as that's obviously what they're in business for in the capitalist society that we live in. However, I frequently look at Bose as the Microsoft of the audio world in a couple respects: they've convinced the world, through shrewd business strategies and intense marking, that their respective products are at the head of their respective industries and worth the incredible premium that you pay for them. However, the core of their respective product designs are often flawed. I won't go into specifics about the issues I have with their construction, unless someone has a particular interest in hearing it. I've discussed Bose on these forums before...well, before MacCentral wiped all of our accounts out.

Now something that you (and those before and following you in these threads) have missed is quite simple: sound is subjective. 100% completely subjective. What I always used to tell people that shopped with me when they asked about Bose was simple: "They're not for everyone, but you need to close your eyes and listen to them. Your ears will tell you whether or not they're for you." Truth be told, I could almost always build a comparable, better sounding system for as much or less, given the opportunity. Having said that, this is the problem that I have with Bose: they're incredibly bright speakers with frequently little to no bass response. They have excellent high-frequency response for sure, but for me listening to that over-emphasis on treble for an extended period of time is fatiguing. Having said this, I will say that I have never listened to the 901's, which supposedly have excellent sound, but I have spent a lot of time with the 301's, 501's and most of the Lifestyle and Acoustimass systems, and they seem to grate on my ears after a while. There is a benefit of being a bright speaker, however, and that is they do tend to sound excellent on music without a lot of bass, such as jazz or classical. I would guess from your screen name, "worldjazz," that you might listen to quite a bit of jazz, which could, in part, explain your attraction to Bose. Just a thought, but I could be wrong on that.

In regards to your comment about Consumer Reports, I would have only one thing to say. Consumer Reports, as a magazine, sacrifices depth for quanitity. If I'm after a review on an Audio product, Consumer Reports will be the last place I will look. I'll pick up a copy of Stereophile, The Absolute Sound, or even Sound and Vision (for a more normal consumer prospective). If I'm interested in buing a car, I'll pick up Motor Trend or Car & Driver. If I'm interested in buying a microwave, then maybe I'll pick up Consumer Reports. And, once again, Audio is subjective, so if they have high consumer ratings from people who already own Bose products, that's not really surprising; they wouldn't have bought it if they didn't like the sound of it.

To sum up (and I've written a lot more than I originally intended to), don't let marketing hype determine your audio purchases: go listen to the same source material piped over the same wiring by the same amplifier in a blind listening test whenever possible, and your ears will tell you what to decide. My 2 cents...

-Mike
Click to view Dan Frakes's profile Macworld Editorial 3,249 posts since
Apr 14, 2003
11. Sep 16, 2004 9:08 PM in response to: mikek836
Coming soon...
Since this announcement seems to have garnered some attention, here's something you all might find interesting: We'll have a SoundDock tomorrow and we hope to have a review up on the PlaylistMag.com site in the next week :-)


Dan Frakes | Senior Editor, Macworld
Click to view Diomedes's profile New Member 31 posts since
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12. Sep 16, 2004 10:41 PM in response to: mgescuro
Re: Bose debuts SoundDock for iPod
It sure does. Why doesn't either Bose or Apple hav it on their sites? I'd love to get one.
Click to view Deromax's profile New Member 71 posts since
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13. Sep 17, 2004 5:25 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Bose debuts SoundDock for iPod
Comparaison of Bose to M$ is adequate, you could also throw-in Monster Cables. The three of them acheived success by savy marketing of high margin products. In the case of Bose, their immense R&D ressources are used NOT to produce better sounding products, but to lower their cost hence upping their profits. Please see this web page

I work in pro audio. Boses speakers are the running gag of the industry. How many time have you seen Bose speakers as studio monitors or at any big act show?

Bose have a sound that will turn head in stores because it's bright and sparkly. But uppon carefull listening, you begin to suffer ear fatigue because of that hyped, unnatural sound.

At the price this new gizmo sell for, you could buy some nice speakers and amp. NHT, Paradigm, Energy, etc.

" I hear no high, I feel no lows, It sounds like crap, it must be Bose "

Deromax.
Click to view mikek836's profile New Member 45 posts since
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14. Sep 17, 2004 5:39 AM in response to: Deromax
Re: Bose debuts SoundDock for iPod
Funny, the expression we used to use was "All highs, no lows, it must be Bose."

-Mike