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45 Replies Last post: Oct 6, 2004 3:02 PM by maxwell   Go to original post 1 2 3 4 Previous Next
Click to view SeaFox's profile Member 956 posts since
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30. Oct 4, 2004 10:48 AM in response to: Schneb
Re: Only One Point Right
This is true for the average consumer. If Apple were to create the product below for below $300, it would be a hit.

Because the iPod Mini is more than $300, ya know.
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Oct 4, 2004
31. Oct 4, 2004 11:06 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Ballmer: 'No way' Apple will win digital media war
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer >> Message to me is very simple. What Mr. Ballmer, as I do understand is saying to me, STAY WITM MAC, OTHERWISE WE SCREW YOU! So I must say, thank you Mr. Ballmer!
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32. Oct 4, 2004 11:58 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Ballmer: 'The dark side will win, ...
My lord will defeat Apple.... resistance is futile
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33. Oct 4, 2004 12:02 PM in response to: MW Forums
Most Pirated Music sits on Windows Boxes!
Anybody want to challenge that statement?

Ok, the only stat I have is they say that Windows has 95% of the computer market. Given that, I can't see it being any other way.

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34. Oct 4, 2004 12:14 PM in response to: MW Forums
Whatever...
Only someone that's scared would have to lash out like that. And if he thinks that monstrosity of a brick media player of his is going to "tip the scale", I remind him of his tablet PC's, which after 4 years still aren't selling. I've seen Microsoft's new media player and it is NOT.
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Aug 31, 2004
35. Oct 4, 2004 1:23 PM in response to: bdkennedy1
Re: Whatever...
Actually, being in academic and having had to do field work, I can definitively say that there is a market for tablet PCs. In the field there are situations were a laptop can be more of a nuisance than a blessing despite the fact that it was designed for portability. Despite its mobility, laptops generally still require that the user have some surface to work on. This is where the tablet PC comes into its own as it is essentially the digital equivalent of a pad on a clipboard.

The ultimate problem with tablet PCs is that they all run Windows. As with a great many things, it will probably take Apple to do it right before it picks up steam on the Windows side. Remember how USB got started. Microsoft and Intel developed USB and that most PCs had begun to ship with USB ports in the late-1990s. Yet, it was not until Apple introduced the iMac and replaced all of its legacy serial ports with USB that we saw the rest of the market take to the hot-swappable interface technology. To this day nearly every single PC sold still comes with legacy PS/2 mice and keyboards, Centronics parallel ports and RS-232C serial ports and peripheral OEMs still make devices that connect via these technologies in conjunction with USB.

Microsoft cannot even get PC users to abandon obsolete interface technologies on the machines that run their monolithic OS, yet Apple and easily 95+ percent of Mac users have long since abandoned anything that does not interface with their computers via USB or FireWire. Apple may not dominate the field, which in many ways is a good thing, but they do know how to get the ball rolling without bulldozing.



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36. Oct 4, 2004 2:53 PM in response to: SeaFox
Chimpy Classic
consumers looking to integrate computer technology into their home entertainment systems. "There is no way you can get there with Apple,"

Why would anyone WANT to do that? Real people want to GET AWAY from computers, not be chained to them. Why ruin a perfectly good home enterntainment system by having a computer screw with it?

I think Ballmer's favorite home-entertainment device is the butt-plug. I think he wants to integrate computer-controlled vibration settings. Pity he doesn't stick the butt-plug in his other hole.

The most common format of music on an iPod is 'stolen'

Oh, this is classing banana-peeling goodness. The FORMAT is stolen? Gosh, better tell Fraunhofer. It's not the music that's stolen, it's the very format itself?

I have news for ballmer. On Planet Earth, we have these shiny discs called CDs. I own nearly 1,000 of them. I own the music on those discs. I can copy them in any format I wish to my iPod under "fair use" rules. This is not stealing.

I have no need to put DRM on these files, because I am not distributing them to anyone - they are for personal use only. Adding DRM would only break the files in the future when the DRM becomes obsolete.

Fribhey wrote (in regard to stolen concepts): uhhh, yeah and so did apple... what's your point exaclty?

The point is that no less than the CEO of Microsoft has accused Apple of encouraging theft, and Apple users of being thieves. He is being a big hypocrite. Microsoft was built on piracy - they tolerated people copying microsoftware, until they had a dominant position.

Anyway, that's not the point. The point is that Apple has enough tact not go around accusing others of stealing, and Apple never claims that it's ideas are completely original. Or more succinctly, Ballmer is full of censored.
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Oct 4, 2004
37. Oct 4, 2004 3:16 PM in response to: MW Forums
Losing touch with reality.
"There is no way you can get there with Apple."

Yeah, sure Ballmer. You and all Longhorn users with 64-bit processing and WinFS agree completley.
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Sep 14, 2004
38. Oct 4, 2004 4:08 PM in response to: SeaFox
Re: Ballmer: 'No way' Apple will win digital media
Well, I guess Microsoft's Music Store really is in trouble then. If Apple's DRM is too hard to use, nobody's is usable.

I totally agree. How is moving to an even more restrictive DRM system (Windows Media DRM) supposed to help consumers at all?
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Sep 1, 2004
39. Oct 4, 2004 4:08 PM in response to: mdawson
Re: Ballmer: 'No way' Apple will win digital media
The only sign Ballmer needs is one saying "I'm stupid", ala Jeff Foxworthy.

You know, Ballmer is one guy MS really needs to not let out in public. This latest statement is at the same level of his on-stage "Bomber" flip-out from a few years ago.

With his entire product line collapsing under its own weight (Why should I buy the next Office? When WILL the real Longhorn ship?) and his "trustworthy computing" being anything but, Ballmer has far more serious things to attend to. Sniping products he can only dream of producing is a great expression of envy. Let him seethe.

-sip
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40. Oct 4, 2004 11:24 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Ballmer: 'No way' Apple will win digital media war
Ballmer once again displays the kind of arrogant attitude that makes Windoze products the target of choice among virus and worm writers.

Stevie baby, don't you get it? You're a petulant pr*ick and there's nothing people like more than watching knuckleheads like you getting taken down a notch or two.

Wake me when you and/or Bill have an original idea.
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Aug 28, 2004
41. Oct 5, 2004 3:36 AM in response to: SeaFox
Re: Ballmer: 'No way' Apple will win digital media
"Ballmer told reporters that the market is about to reach "the tipping point" where a device is introduced that "can take on critical mass," leading to "an explosion in demand."

"Baller's living in a five-year time warp. That device is/was the iPod."

iPod is soon history. Or at least not cutting edge as music players will be 13 in a dozen.
Instead we may be talking here about HTPC and PVR systems. Seems there is not a single readymade solution available for consumers yet, all are custom built, mainly by enthusiasists and hobbyists.
Apple should announce Apple-branded HTPC solution soon. It may be a new box or it may be some added functionality for Mac. MS surely will do its own thingie soon.
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42. Oct 5, 2004 6:42 AM in response to: Nobody
Re: Chimpy Classic
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consumers looking to integrate computer technology into their home entertainment systems. "There is no way you can get there with Apple,"

Why would anyone WANT to do that? Real people want to GET AWAY from computers, not be chained to them. Why ruin a perfectly good home enterntainment system by having a computer screw with it?


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actually apple is ALREADY THERE. Ballmer must have been a sleep for a couple years. remember Apple's 'digital hub' strategy that is at least 3 years old? iPods are already integrated into home and car entertainment systems and now with the airport express, itunes is also integrated with your home entertainment system.
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43. Oct 5, 2004 11:08 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Ballmer: 'No way' Apple will win digital media war
Ballmer's suggestion that iPod users (read: Apple supporters) are using the iPod to listen to mostly pirated music (read: Apple supporters are mostly thieves) invites the question: Who pirates more music and software--- Windows supporters, or Apple supporters?

The answer is obvious, and I'd even give Windows users the benefit of asking "what percentage" of each group is guilty. I'd wager that Windows users would still lose.

My arguments:

For one, many Windows users can only afford budget hardware and software, and tend to upgrade slowly. Who finds "free" opportunities, especially at the risk of inviting viruses, and despite questionable quality, but the most frugal of us?

Secondly, many Windows users have been audited by Microsoft itself. Remember Microsoft's recent efforts to find and punish both public and private users of unlicensed MS products?

Thirdly, I heard the following at an Adobe seminar: Someone in the audience asked if Adobe's new Creative Suite software (a collection of popular graphics applications) required online activation to use. The lecturer answer "No, not yet." and "Adobe had thuis far, only implemented this anti-piracy feature in the Windows version of Photoshop. Why? Because the Windows version of Photoshop was the most pirated software. Ahem.
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44. Oct 5, 2004 1:18 PM in response to: Fixx
Re: Ballmer: 'No way' Apple will win digital media
iPod is soon history. Or at least not cutting edge as music players will be 13 in a dozen.

The iPod isn't going anywhere. It's not cutting edge anymore that's true.

Instead we may be talking here about HTPC and PVR systems. Seems there is not a single readymade solution available for consumers yet, all are custom built, mainly by enthusiasists and hobbyists.

Please. You sound just like the "market analysts" who said laptops would go because of the TabletPC. Well, that never happened. The Tablet PC is becoming nothing more than a niche market device for certain industries like medical. The laptop continues to go strong.

HTPC's and PVR's will have a market in the future, eys. But nothing like a portable music player. People can't even set the damn clocks on their VCR's and can barely use their email software. Most would have trouble if their entire home entertainmant system was build around a PC. The specialized devices of today are easier for the layman to use.

Apple should announce Apple-branded HTPC solution soon. It may be a new box or it may be some added functionality for Mac.

An HTPC is just a PC with special home theater features built into the OS. Apple could do that quite easily now without a special MacOSX "Media Center Edition". But why do ti themselves when there's people like El Gato who want to be developers?

MS surely will do its own thingie soon.

Does that mean Apple has to do it too? Unlike Microsoft, Apple isn't interested in OWNING every freaking aspect of your computing experience. I'm somewhat annoyed at how Apple messed up the MP3 player market with iTunes. I think iTunes is a good app. But competitors who were making apps that could do direct recording and editing features have all packed up their tents and gone home thanks to iTunes being bundled with the MacOS.

Gee, kinda like the browser market being ruined by Microsoft bundling IE.