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65 Replies Last post: Oct 23, 2004 6:18 AM by MacCheetah3   Go to original post 1 2 3 4 5 Previous Next
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D_Dog
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45. Oct 19, 2004 7:02 PM in response to: EpaAmigo
Re: Apple still too stingy on RAM !!!
Buy your Mac from a mail order company ie MacMall, Mac Warehouse, etc. Most of them offer a gig of ram for free along with other free products when you purchase a PowerMac G5. There is also no sales tax to most states. The sales tax alone could save you a couple of hundred dollars. So you save a couple hundred on Ram, a couple hundred on sales tax. You will usually get a free printer, software, etc. & money off of the ground shipping. You will have to mail in rebates to the manufacturer or the mail order house...but it's a small price to pay.
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46. Oct 19, 2004 7:06 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple adds single-processor Power Mac G5 1.8GH
This Mac or any other Mac in Apples range does not fill a massive hole in the potential Mac market. I'm a Mac reseller and I'd love to switch some of my business customers to Apple. Currently they just have standard PCs running XP and Office with LCD displays on most.
An iMac is no good as they already have a good LCD display they own, ditto the eMac and a G5 is just way too expensive for their needs as well as being too bulky for the average office space. Bear in mind it's bigger than most PC boxes which are shoehorned into a narrow shelf.

They need a headless basic G5 Mac with say one PCI slot and the specs of the 1.6GHz iMac. Bear in mind the iMac without the LCD cost is coming pretty close in cost to what is needed here. Just need to box it well and make it modular inside so can easily have the internal components upgraded.

I don't think people realise the volume of PCs sold just to do menial office tasks, it's massive and sometimes just getting a virus or having the PC run slow with spyware is all that is needed as an excuse for the office worker to ask for a new PC. Now this could be a Mac but not if the business is going to throw out its investment in LCD screens which sometimes are more expensive than the computer.

Think about it Steve. Once people work on Macs in the office they'll want them at home. Currently they buy PCs for home because they work on them in the office. Gotta change this mindset!
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47. Oct 19, 2004 7:08 PM in response to: kms007
Re: still too pricey
You get a VGA adpter withthe PowerMac G5.
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48. Oct 19, 2004 7:10 PM in response to: Nobody
Re: EVEN CHEAP PCs HAVE BETTER SPECS!!!
Yeah, tell us where it is in the windows world.
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49. Oct 19, 2004 8:11 PM in response to: montgomery_burns
Re: it needs to be small
Who do people think that if the case is smaller, the price will be too?
If that were the case, a Ferrari would be cheaper than a Lincoln.
Well, guess what, this new computer is a Lincoln with the engine out of a Ford Focus.

In order for apple to make the case smaller, they have to re-engineer the computer. They have to make new outside panels, inside panels, basically, everything. If they make a single processor unit from a dual processor one, all they have to really do is not put only one processor in - not two.
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50. Oct 20, 2004 12:19 AM in response to: D_Dog
Re: EVEN CHEAP PCs HAVE BETTER SPECS!!!
Search for me in these forums. It is in my previous posts.

Or just do a Google search.

Or go go your local computer store.
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51. Oct 20, 2004 12:26 AM in response to: MachelpOz
Re: Apple adds single-processor Power Mac G5 1.8GH
Absolutely right.

See my previous post:

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http://apple.weblogsinc.com/entry/1128136479381114/

Original at:
http://www.mackompass.de/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=2
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I suggest everybody sending such feedback to Apple:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/powermac.html

As said, we will buy tons or such headless Macs. And replace they by new ones every year or so. A G4 or G5 processor would do (since you can replace it whenever you want, having a cheap CPU).

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moose_n_squirrel
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52. Oct 20, 2004 12:57 AM in response to: Nobody
Re: Apple adds single-processor Power Mac G5 1.8GH
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As said, we will buy tons or such headless Macs. And replace they by new ones every year or so.

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No way man. Buying a headless G5 iMac every year for four years even at a low, low price of $625 (4 years times $625 = $2500) means that each year I buy a Mac that has specs quite inferior to one of today's $2500 dual 2.0 GHz G5s. One awesome computer to last four years seems like a better idea than wasting time switching through four lame computers in 48 months. I am not buying into this planned obsolescence idea, it's like the mid-20th century US auto industry.
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53. Oct 20, 2004 6:44 AM in response to: nek
Re: Apple adds single-processor Power Mac G5 1.8GHz
In reply to:<hr />
In reply to:<hr />
Why isn't this new G5 the headless Mac everyone seems to think they want? Price?

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The price is a little high, but I think the biggest problem with this new Powermac is its size.

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Nah. It's the price.
Comparing this G5 to iMac G5 reveals you're in effect paying about $600 for the better motherboard.
And even that better board is pretty much low end by todays standards.

iMac's price/features balance is just fine, BTW, I'm not bashing everything just for the heck of it.
But really, substracting a 17" LCD monitor should affect the price! Seriously! That's just common sense!

Fortunately I'm not shopping for a new mac for atleast another year...

iBook G4/1,2, iMac 2,13, Athlon 3800+, PS2, Gamecube, PS3
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d00d
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54. Oct 20, 2004 6:58 AM in response to: Jarmo
Re: Apple adds single-processor Power Mac G5 1.8GH
Quick summary of differences:
<pre>code:<hr>Attribute PowermacG5 iMacG5
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System Bus 900MHz 600MHz
Firewire 800 Yes No
PCI slots Three None
Graphics AGP slot Integrated
Harddrive slots Two+* One
Ethernet Gigabit 10/100 Base-T
Optical Drive Easy Upgrade Requires slot drive

* With third party kits, you can add 3 more drives internally (total of 5).</pre><hr>
I'm not sure that these differences aren't worth the price difference, but maybe my priorities are different.
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55. Oct 20, 2004 7:07 AM in response to: mdawson
Re: Apple adds single-processor Power Mac G5 1.8GH
"an expandable small form factor G5 Power Mac. With the release of the G5 iMac, Apple has clearly demonstrated that they can engineer a small G5 PowerMac."

Apple should also create a new line for comments like the above:

iBitch

Wow, that felt good.
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56. Oct 20, 2004 7:39 AM in response to: d00d
Re: Apple adds single-processor Power Mac G5 1.8GH
Derik:

Just a point of note: The Power Mac G5 1.8GHz single processor model front side bus is clocked at 600MHz, just like the equivalently-clocked iMac G5. And while the iMac G5 does indeed have integrated graphics, while the Power Mac G5's is upgradable, both use 8x AGP -- in fact, they both use the same chip (Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra), if you stick with Apple's no-extra-cost OEM offering in the Power Mac.
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d00d
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57. Oct 20, 2004 8:14 AM in response to: Peter Cohen
Re: Apple adds single-processor Power Mac G5 1.8GH
You're right Peter. Good point about the video card (though I find the ability to upgrade fairly important).
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58. Oct 20, 2004 11:17 AM in response to: Praxis
Re: Apple adds single-processor Power Mac G5 1.8GHz
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Seriously, is one Firewire 800 and a few PCI slots worth the loss of a $600 flatscreen??

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Buy a cheap CRT from apple for an interim solution, then save for a flat screen.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/72402/wo/lk2opqahJPlG2lIvMeElwgO16fl/4.0.9.1.0.6.3
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59. Oct 21, 2004 7:57 AM in response to: mdawson
Re: Apple adds single-processor Power Mac G5 1.8GH
"All Apple displays are digital and most 3rd-party displays, particularly those offered by companies like Dell, Gateway, et al, are analog."

The Dell display I'm looking at now is digital.

"The vast majority of 3rd-party LCD displays do not."

It's got that too, and it's months old.
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