I've already purchased iWork (KeyNote alone is worth the $50 and Pages will sure help with those class newsleters)but as a school teacher I hope we have not seen last of AppleWorks. Our district has kept AppleWorks even though we also have Office, primarily becuase of the Draw and Database. Yeah I know we could get FileMaker and PhotoShop but that would be more expensive and the learning curve would go way up for teachers who have to integrate technology into a 7th grade curriculum. Plus AppleWorks is still one of the most inovative and intuitive products I have ever seen. I can't blame Apple for dropping it, but I sure will miss it. It sure has been a great tool for education.
I'm in Higher Ed and even though I use Excel extensively and would love to see an Apple spreadsheet, I love the idea of iWork. I used AppleWorks through college and did use the Draw functionality too.
But honestly, I'm fairly glad that Apple hasn't come out with a drawing program -- OmniGraffle came with my PowerBook G4 and I'm sold. It's easy to use and pretty powerful. I consider it my secret weapon for presentations in Keynote. There are a few other decent drawing programs for OS X too--miles beyond AppleWorks IMHO.
If the file compatibility is good with iWork, I could definitely see myself ditching Office soon. I suspect I could find an Excel replacement from another third party.
But honestly, I'm fairly glad that Apple hasn't come out with a drawing program -- OmniGraffle came with my PowerBook G4 and I'm sold. It's easy to use and pretty powerful. I consider it my secret weapon for presentations in Keynote. There are a few other decent drawing programs for OS X too--miles beyond AppleWorks IMHO.
If the file compatibility is good with iWork, I could definitely see myself ditching Office soon. I suspect I could find an Excel replacement from another third party.
Just as Keynote 1 was a great start, remember it's been 2 years since we've been waiting for hyperlinks to be included in it.
With that feature alone, PowerPoint is dead in the water on my machines. And the ability to output to flash? That's too cool. Animated graphics? Bring it on!
Pages will be great IF Word compatibility is really good. AppleWorks was being marketed as "Word-compatible", but in my book, it never fully was compatible unless all you had in your document was text. One could argue Text Edit is just as compatible with Word as AppleWorks is.
I want to send Windows Word users files that'll make them think I am a Word Wizard - which I really am
. I had to get used to Word for reasons explained above, but I often miss the efficiency with which I used to create my AppleWorks document.
And with all that said, I can still remember that ClarisWorks 1.0 ad which ran in Macworld (believe it was sept. 1990). It had that palm tree oil report showing a document including text, tables, drawing and graphs in one page with the possibility of switching on-the-fly. I was sold and bought my Mac Classic right then and there. Sighs.
Using Keynote, iMovie, Pages, OmniGraffle, my screen cap utility and my Hemera photo objects, Steve Jobs has "nuffin" on me when it comes to multimedia.
With that feature alone, PowerPoint is dead in the water on my machines. And the ability to output to flash? That's too cool. Animated graphics? Bring it on!
Pages will be great IF Word compatibility is really good. AppleWorks was being marketed as "Word-compatible", but in my book, it never fully was compatible unless all you had in your document was text. One could argue Text Edit is just as compatible with Word as AppleWorks is.
I want to send Windows Word users files that'll make them think I am a Word Wizard - which I really am
. I had to get used to Word for reasons explained above, but I often miss the efficiency with which I used to create my AppleWorks document. And with all that said, I can still remember that ClarisWorks 1.0 ad which ran in Macworld (believe it was sept. 1990). It had that palm tree oil report showing a document including text, tables, drawing and graphs in one page with the possibility of switching on-the-fly. I was sold and bought my Mac Classic right then and there. Sighs.
Using Keynote, iMovie, Pages, OmniGraffle, my screen cap utility and my Hemera photo objects, Steve Jobs has "nuffin" on me when it comes to multimedia.
I guess no one has notice this yet -- but the Pages portion of iWork reminds me a lot about a piece of software by the same name back in the NexTStep/OpenStep days. There was a piece of software called Pages by a company called Pages Software, Inc. (how original).
The concept of the Pages by Pages is pretty much the same as the "template feature" in Pages by Apple: all documents created are strictly assocated with a "Pages Design", which contain restrictions/specifications for typeface, font size, page layout, header style, body text style, table style -- every conceivable element in a text document -- that must be used with the chosen page design. The documents produced are so elegant, so professional looking, that one would probably need to spend hours and hours with a page layout program (such as PageMaker) to produce the same results that came from only about 30mins of work in Pages. The concept is, IMHO, light years ahead of what is being offered by Microsoft Word. It was my absolute favorite document creation software of all time -- because it was so simple, and so easy to use. This, incidentally, is the same concept behind TeX, in that the writer himself should not have to deal with document style, so the writer defines document elements like title and header elements and let someone else worry about how the document looks (so the content and presentation are separate from one another). The draw back to the Pages by Pages was, that there were only five included designs; and any additional designs must be created using their design creation software (read: more $$$). So the variation in terms of variety of page designs was very limited. Obviously Pages in iWork contain far more designs than the old Pages.
Of course, NeXTStep/OpenStep was never really THAT popular, (and later went away, well, bought by Apple), so Pages Software, Inc. also went away fairly quickly. I remember hearing that some company acquired Pages Software, Inc., but I don't remember who (it wasn't Apple -- I don't think). Perhaps Apple acquired the rights to the software later on; or perhaps they simply "borrowed" the idea from Pages. It would be interesting to see, whether the Pages portion of iWork really originated from Pages by Pages.
On the politics side of things, I think Apple is trying not to step on too many toes with iWork. The Mac software industry (if there is such a thing) is wierd. When Apple comes out with a piece of software that competes directly with one of the third party software company, the third party software company's software goes away, (e.g. Panic's Audion, MacAmp and Adobe Premiere, to name a few).
On the other hand, Microsoft has all sorts of software, e.g. Office, Virtual PC (now part of Office), Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, to name a few, but the third party software vendors still kept their competing software. For example, Novell Office is still available (last I recall); VMware is still alive and kicking; Opera, Firefox, still comes out with Win32 versions of their web browsers first; WinAmp among other media players still continue to be developed, even though they compete directly with Microsoft offerings. With this in mind, Apple is trying not to discourage too many third party developers here, and not to become too much of a vertical solution.
Microsoft is, as the author of this news article pointed out, a very big factor. It would not be smart of Apple to appear to be going after the same piece of territory as Microsoft office. Microsoft can simply play hardball and decide to drop Micosoft Office for Mac and that would be the end of the mainstream support for the Macs. And Macs will become even more a niche player.
The concept of the Pages by Pages is pretty much the same as the "template feature" in Pages by Apple: all documents created are strictly assocated with a "Pages Design", which contain restrictions/specifications for typeface, font size, page layout, header style, body text style, table style -- every conceivable element in a text document -- that must be used with the chosen page design. The documents produced are so elegant, so professional looking, that one would probably need to spend hours and hours with a page layout program (such as PageMaker) to produce the same results that came from only about 30mins of work in Pages. The concept is, IMHO, light years ahead of what is being offered by Microsoft Word. It was my absolute favorite document creation software of all time -- because it was so simple, and so easy to use. This, incidentally, is the same concept behind TeX, in that the writer himself should not have to deal with document style, so the writer defines document elements like title and header elements and let someone else worry about how the document looks (so the content and presentation are separate from one another). The draw back to the Pages by Pages was, that there were only five included designs; and any additional designs must be created using their design creation software (read: more $$$). So the variation in terms of variety of page designs was very limited. Obviously Pages in iWork contain far more designs than the old Pages.
Of course, NeXTStep/OpenStep was never really THAT popular, (and later went away, well, bought by Apple), so Pages Software, Inc. also went away fairly quickly. I remember hearing that some company acquired Pages Software, Inc., but I don't remember who (it wasn't Apple -- I don't think). Perhaps Apple acquired the rights to the software later on; or perhaps they simply "borrowed" the idea from Pages. It would be interesting to see, whether the Pages portion of iWork really originated from Pages by Pages.
On the politics side of things, I think Apple is trying not to step on too many toes with iWork. The Mac software industry (if there is such a thing) is wierd. When Apple comes out with a piece of software that competes directly with one of the third party software company, the third party software company's software goes away, (e.g. Panic's Audion, MacAmp and Adobe Premiere, to name a few).
On the other hand, Microsoft has all sorts of software, e.g. Office, Virtual PC (now part of Office), Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, to name a few, but the third party software vendors still kept their competing software. For example, Novell Office is still available (last I recall); VMware is still alive and kicking; Opera, Firefox, still comes out with Win32 versions of their web browsers first; WinAmp among other media players still continue to be developed, even though they compete directly with Microsoft offerings. With this in mind, Apple is trying not to discourage too many third party developers here, and not to become too much of a vertical solution.
Microsoft is, as the author of this news article pointed out, a very big factor. It would not be smart of Apple to appear to be going after the same piece of territory as Microsoft office. Microsoft can simply play hardball and decide to drop Micosoft Office for Mac and that would be the end of the mainstream support for the Macs. And Macs will become even more a niche player.
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Perhaps Apple acquired the rights to the software later on;
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Borg, nice post. I'm sure you'd have to be an insider to know the true history and details of the product. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Apple hired a few people from the GoBe productivity suite. I'm not sure how that falls into your Pages theory, but interesting none the less.
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On the politics side of things, I think Apple is trying not to step on too many toes with iWork. The Mac software industry (if there is such a thing) is wierd. When Apple comes out with a piece of software that competes directly with one of the third party software company, the third party software company's software goes away, (e.g. Panic's Audion, MacAmp and Adobe Premiere, to name a few).
On the other hand, Microsoft has all sorts of software, e.g. Office, Virtual PC (now part of Office), Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, to name a few, but the third party software vendors still kept their competing software. For example, Novell Office is still available (last I recall); VMware is still alive and kicking; Opera, Firefox, still comes out with Win32 versions of their web browsers first; WinAmp among other media players still continue to be developed, even though they compete directly with Microsoft offerings. With this in mind, Apple is trying not to discourage too many third party developers here, and not to become too much of a vertical solution.
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The main difference here is that the Mac market is much smaller than the PC market. If Apple comes out with a product that's better than the competition (and it usually is), then there really is no room for the other, at least in any profitable sense. The PC market can generally accomodate a few players. As for open source, it's not about profit. This is why we have multiple web browsers available on the Mac.
Apple is in a difficult situation here. On one hand, they are at MS's mercy. If MS were to abandon the Mac platform with Office, then there would be a significant impact. Appleworks is not enough to fill the gap. On the other hand, if Apple has competing Office products like Keynote, Pages, (Calc??), etc. then there will be some perception issues, but Apple would be in a position to handle Microsoft's abandonment. Also, Apple doesn't need to be in a position where it has to bend over for MS's demands, etc.
At the same time, Apple is wisely marketing these products as "consumer level" so as to not compete with MS's "professional" Office product. However, Apple has to be careful. On one hand, they almost need to bundle some sort of "works" like product with their machines. On the other hand, if that "works" like product is too powerful, which iWork seems like it may be, it may be enough for MS to start losing sales.
Steve
For all those whining about the lack of a spreadsheet, read:
http://www.apple.com/iwork/pages/word.html
So for most people, they will not miss the excel bloat since they use excel to crate charts/tables only. Pages will do what they need.
http://www.apple.com/iwork/pages/word.html
So for most people, they will not miss the excel bloat since they use excel to crate charts/tables only. Pages will do what they need.
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So for most people, they will not miss the excel bloat since they use excel to crate charts/tables only. Pages will do what they need.
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I'm not quite sure how you feel comfortable speaking for "most people". While it's true that some use Excel for it's formatting features, many also expect calculations. Make no mistake, Pages is not a substitute for Excel nor is it intended to be.
Steve
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I guess no one has notice this yet -- but the Pages portion of iWork reminds me a lot about a piece of software by the same name back in the NexTStep/OpenStep days. There was a piece of software called Pages by a company called Pages Software, Inc. (how original).
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I noticed this immediately too! I actually worked for Pages here in San Diego for a stint between '93 and '94. Pages was (is?) way ahead of it's time. It was one of those "new paradigm" applications that those of us in the NeXT community were so privileged to have been exposed to. That was also part of the problem getting people to buy Pages back then -- what the hell is it, a word processor or a page layout application? On the other end, training was a bit of an issue too. Getting people to let go and let the design model do the formatting for them was always a hoot!
I've been scouring the net trying to see if Apple's Pages == Pages by Pages. I sure hope so! My personal connection aside it would be yet another fine example of a BoB NeXT app making the 10 year cross-platform jump to the Mac and OS X!!!
Personally, I can't wait to get my hands on Pages. I'm Copy Editor for a small advertising/marketing/PR agency. I still use WriteNow 4.02 every day of my working life, because I've never found a word processor than can beat it for speed, intuitiveness and ease of use.
Let me put it this way: when it comes to how much I loathe and despise Microsoft Word -- well, words can't describe it. Eighty percent of its features I never have any occasion to use, and the remaining twenty percent are so illogical and frustrating that I curse whenever I absolutely HAVE to produce a finished product in Word format.
I may not routinely use the page layout features of Pages (though from the demo, they look like they'd be mighty fun to play with), but I'm hoping that its implementation of styles, etc., is well-thought-out enough to finally wean me away from WriteNow. Much as I still love it, there's something to be said for putting the last nail in the coffin of working in Classic.
The way Pages does tables will also certainly be an important consideration for me. (There has NEVER been a program with better, more intuitive table creation/modification features than WriteNow.) And, considering what I said in my earlier paragraph, if I can work within Pages and then output a Word document that properly renders all I've done -- well, the mind reels!
That said, I agree that even modest spreadsheet capabilities would be a big plus in Pages. Since some calculations obviously have to be involved in order to make the charts work, you wonder why they couldn't take that final step and allow you to put a true spreadsheet right in the document.
Let me put it this way: when it comes to how much I loathe and despise Microsoft Word -- well, words can't describe it. Eighty percent of its features I never have any occasion to use, and the remaining twenty percent are so illogical and frustrating that I curse whenever I absolutely HAVE to produce a finished product in Word format.
I may not routinely use the page layout features of Pages (though from the demo, they look like they'd be mighty fun to play with), but I'm hoping that its implementation of styles, etc., is well-thought-out enough to finally wean me away from WriteNow. Much as I still love it, there's something to be said for putting the last nail in the coffin of working in Classic.
The way Pages does tables will also certainly be an important consideration for me. (There has NEVER been a program with better, more intuitive table creation/modification features than WriteNow.) And, considering what I said in my earlier paragraph, if I can work within Pages and then output a Word document that properly renders all I've done -- well, the mind reels!
That said, I agree that even modest spreadsheet capabilities would be a big plus in Pages. Since some calculations obviously have to be involved in order to make the charts work, you wonder why they couldn't take that final step and allow you to put a true spreadsheet right in the document.
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Not everyone is willing to shell out beaucoup bucks for Excel for a spreadsheet or FileMaker for a database. My biggest concern is the lack of a DBMS. I currently use an AppleWorks database for a quick and dirty serials management system at my library. I don't want to have to pay $299 to get FileMaker just to manage one database. So I, like many others, will continue to use AppleWorks and, in my case, use it in conjunction with iWorks.
A spreadsheet is Needed
I agree with what you say, and having read the post above (and details on Apples site) about the graphing capabilities of Pages, it is totally inadequate, and NOT a replacement for a spreadsheet.
At most times I do use graphs in spreadsheets, the graph is based on the results of calculations/formulae, not based directly on the core data. And to even imply that it is acceptable for a new computer to ship these days without at least a basic "home use" spreadsheet and database is beyond my comprehension.
As I said above, I dont think we've heard all there is to hear from Steve on this matter.
At most times I do use graphs in spreadsheets, the graph is based on the results of calculations/formulae, not based directly on the core data. And to even imply that it is acceptable for a new computer to ship these days without at least a basic "home use" spreadsheet and database is beyond my comprehension.
As I said above, I dont think we've heard all there is to hear from Steve on this matter.
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"These two programs are what iWork is, building a successor to AppleWorks" - Steve Jobs - MacWorld San Francisco 2005 Keynote
The key term there is building. To me, this means that Apple is working on the rest of the "office" aspects, like a spreadsheet and database app, and waiting for a prime time to release it. Apple still sells AppleWorks 6.2.9.
Put simply, don't count your chickens before they hatch. Apple very well could have something up its sleeves yet.
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"These two programs are what iWork is, building a successor to AppleWorks" - Steve Jobs - MacWorld San Francisco 2005 Keynote
The key term there is building. To me, this means that Apple is working on the rest of the "office" aspects, like a spreadsheet and database app, and waiting for a prime time to release it. Apple still sells AppleWorks 6.2.9.
Put simply, don't count your chickens before they hatch. Apple very well could have something up its sleeves yet.
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The key term there is building. To me, this means that Apple is working on the rest of the "office" aspects, like a spreadsheet and database app, and waiting for a prime time to release it. Apple still sells AppleWorks 6.2.9.
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Nice catch! I finally watched the Keynote last night and made the same observation. It was subtle to be sure, but it definitely implies a work in progress. We may have to wait until next year to see the spreadsheet, but I don't doubt it's coming.
Steve
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I may not routinely use the page layout features of Pages (though from the demo, they look like they'd be mighty fun to play with), but I'm hoping that its implementation of styles, etc., is well-thought-out enough to finally wean me away from WriteNow. Much as I still love it, there's something to be said for putting the last nail in the coffin of working in Classic.
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Like you, I agree that Word is painful for any type of layout, etc. It's quite good a standard business letters. It automates many things, but also tends to get in my way just as often.
That said, the demo for Pages looked interesting. It already looks like it can handle layout situations that Word cannot. But, realistically, there's only so much we can tell from a demo. The image drop zones look cool, etc. At some point, I'll probably pick up a copy to play with.
Steve
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