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Click to view Peter Cohen's profile Macworld Editorial 4,220 posts since
Feb 5, 2003
15. Sep 7, 2005 2:31 PM in response to: TheBum
Re: iPod nano - ONLY USB 2.0?
I stand partly corrected:

According to an Apple representative we spoke with, the new iPod nano can be charged over either a USB 2.0 or FireWire connection, but the nano will sync only over USB 2.0.
Click to view oliverchaddock's profile New Member 21 posts since
Nov 12, 2004
16. Sep 7, 2005 2:44 PM in response to: Peter Cohen
Re: iPod nano - ONLY USB 2.0?
Methinks this gradual phasing out of firewire in the iPod line has something to do with x86 macs.

Intel is all about USB, and that means building x86 Intel macs with Firewire support will cost more time and money.

I reckon the x86 macs won't have firewire at all.
Click to view Netizen_Kane's profile Member 425 posts since
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17. Sep 7, 2005 2:47 PM in response to: MW Forums
I'm finally buying an iPod!
The Nano is what I've been waiting for. No failure-prone hard drive. Color screen. Enough capacity for my whole music library.

The only thing I don't like about it is that it uses the older white plastic/stainless design rather than the aluminum housing of the Mini. Oh, well. Can't have everything.
Click to view msh's profile New Member 1 posts since
Sep 7, 2005
18. Sep 7, 2005 2:51 PM in response to: Netizen_Kane
Re: I'm finally buying an iPod!
I love the nano for many of the reasons already mentioned, but one thing seems strange: the headphone connection is on the bottom. Are we supposed to hold these upside down?
Click to view chewygoat's profile Member 213 posts since
Sep 2, 2004
19. Sep 7, 2005 2:51 PM in response to: Peter Cohen
Re: iPod nano - ONLY USB 2.0?
Wow - what is the point in keeping the dock connector, but killing the firewire syncing support? Was it really necessary to kill firewire in order to keep the cost lower... err... I mean higher? The nano costs more than the mini by megabyte. Now there is only one model of iPod that supports firewire and it is the most dated, so it's clearly next up for the chopping block. I guess I ought to buy the 30 GB iPod photo now from buy.com I've been thinking about.... FYI, my home music box is an iMac G3 and, no, I don't want to upgrade to a newer, louder (not fanless) Mac just so that I can use a slower-than-firewire connection. My fanless iMac G3 is fantastic as a music box.

But since this is about the nano... what about the audio/video cable to play photos back on a TV? Is that supported by the nano or not? I note that when I add a nano to a shopping cart it does not offer the audio/video cable as an option. Also the nano dock does not have video out, so this would seem a bad sign. Anyone know for certain?
Click to view minderbinder's profile Enthusiast 1,094 posts since
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20. Sep 7, 2005 2:52 PM in response to: oliverchaddock
Re: iPod nano - ONLY USB 2.0?
"I reckon the x86 macs won't have firewire at all. "

Doubt that, Apple has too much invested in firewire to abandon it. It's still the standard interface on most video cameras, and it really doesn't cost that much to support. If Apple said it was a deal breaker, they could get Intel to support it no problem.

I think it just comes down to cost (and cross platform support).
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Apr 3, 2001
21. Sep 7, 2005 3:05 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple introduces iPod nano
I read that the nano can play slide shows. Can it play slideshows output to a TV via the A/V cable like the current iPod models? I do not see the A/V cable offered or suggested as an accessory.

Just wondering.
Click to view mdawson's profile Old Hand 3,028 posts since
Aug 31, 2004
22. Sep 7, 2005 3:06 PM in response to: oliverchaddock
Re: iPod nano - ONLY USB 2.0?
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I reckon the x86 macs won't have firewire at all.

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I find that to be highly unlikely. Intel does support FireWire, but most Wintel PC OEMs opt not to make it a standard feature in desktops though it is becoming more common in mid- to high-end Wintel laptops. As minderbinder stated, Apple has far too much invested in FireWire and it is the preferred standard in high-end digital video production where Apple has been gaining substantial momentum for the past few years. The FireWire protocol has too many advantages over USB so dropping the standard would be foolish on Apples part.


“Cannot run out of time. There is infinite time. You are finite. Zathras is finite. This is wrong tool.” 2.3GHz Power Mac G5/4GB/500GB HDD/OS X 10.4.11/30-inch ACD, 60GB iPod (Color)
Click to view mdawson's profile Old Hand 3,028 posts since
Aug 31, 2004
23. Sep 7, 2005 3:15 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple introduces iPod nano
The iPod nano seems like a neat little player although as an iPod mini replacement capacity is lost4 and 6 GB for the mini vs. 2 and 4 GB for the nano. Personally, I think that Apple should have stuck to the iPod mini moniker as these are replacing the mini line. Also, as someone else here mentioned, the colors should have been kept as that aesthetic made the iPod mini very popular with female buyers.

Just on observation here on campus, most people have some incarnation of the iPod, followed by iPod minis and then iPod shuffles (far more rare in public than in the gyms but still in the minority). Of the iPod minis, the vast majority of the owners, again based on observation, are female students. In fact, as I already own a 512MB iPod shuffle and a 60GB iPod, I was planning on getting a free iPod mini when I purchase my new Mac in the next two weeks (the educational purchase deal) and giving it to a female friend of mine that cannot afford one right now. Hopefully, the September 24th deadline is still in effect as she prefers silver and the new iPod nanos are only black and white.



“Cannot run out of time. There is infinite time. You are finite. Zathras is finite. This is wrong tool.” 2.3GHz Power Mac G5/4GB/500GB HDD/OS X 10.4.11/30-inch ACD, 60GB iPod (Color)
Click to view chewygoat's profile Member 213 posts since
Sep 2, 2004
24. Sep 7, 2005 3:22 PM in response to: minderbinder
Re: iPod nano - ONLY USB 2.0?
Apple won't abandon firewire. Also, Apple will never ever switch to Intel. Err....

I agree that the bottom-located headphone jack is a bit strange, but I think the answer is in the picture of the lanyard, which appears to be a combined lanyard/headphone set, connecting to the bottom. For lanyard use, upside down does make sense (since you flip it up to control it). I guess they are thinking everyone will use it that way. Problem is, since your nano is upside down, so is the screen - somewhere they say how, when worn, the nano's screen will really show off for others. Err... except that the screen will be upside down, and thus will everything you are "showing off". Oops. I suppose if they had an orientation detection feature that would flip the screen automatically, that would resolve it, but since there's no mention of that it wouldn't seem to, and who would want to pay for that anyway?

And about that lanyard/headphone thing as seen in the pictures. Can you plug in other headphones, or are you stuck with Apple's pathetic ones for lanyard use? Or is that picture just a trick and really there's still the need to plug in the headphones?

Oh well I can't see side-grading anyway. I have a 4 GB mini. It's already quite small, looks nice, is entirely skip free (I've certainly never heard it skip - has anyone?) and it's green. The nano is smaller, and does look nice even though only white or black, perhaps even nicer, but I can't see "upgrading" to an iPod of the same capacity, even ignoring the dramatically slower syncing I'd experience (at USB 1.1 speeds). I struggle with 4 GB as it is.
Click to view mdawson's profile Old Hand 3,028 posts since
Aug 31, 2004
25. Sep 7, 2005 3:32 PM in response to: chewygoat
Re: iPod nano - ONLY USB 2.0?
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Apple won't abandon firewire. Also, Apple will never ever switch to Intel.

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Obviously, at some point FireWire will be replaced, but it will not be in favor of USB so the comparison to the Intel switch is a bit far fetched. If a faster, more robust interface comes along to replace FireWire, that is one thing, but to think that the Intel switch will result in Apple abandoning a far superior interface format that is an accepted standard in an industry that Apple has been successfully courting would be just plain dumb.

The lack of support for FireWire in newer iPods probably has much more to do with the user base, which is predominantly Wintel PC owners, that consists of people that have computers that do not have FireWire.



“Cannot run out of time. There is infinite time. You are finite. Zathras is finite. This is wrong tool.” 2.3GHz Power Mac G5/4GB/500GB HDD/OS X 10.4.11/30-inch ACD, 60GB iPod (Color)
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Aug 31, 2004
26. Sep 7, 2005 3:39 PM in response to: MW Forums
Apple Ed deal broken
I just checked the Apple Education Store and while there are still banners for the free iPod mini with a Mac there is no way to order one. I would think that Apple would at least honor their advertising and keep the iPod mini available through this particular channel until the end of the promotion. I really wanted to get a free silver iPod mini for my friend. Oh well.

Sure I could get her the iPod nano, but it would have half the storage capacity at the $179 educational price. Apple needs to fix this situation becuase it has become a bait and switch for those people that knew about the deal but planned on buying some time in the next two weeks as I do.


“Cannot run out of time. There is infinite time. You are finite. Zathras is finite. This is wrong tool.” 2.3GHz Power Mac G5/4GB/500GB HDD/OS X 10.4.11/30-inch ACD, 60GB iPod (Color)
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27. Sep 7, 2005 3:53 PM in response to: mdawson
Re: iPod nano - ONLY USB 2.0?
Isn't USB an Intel thing? Firewire isn't. Perhaps there is your motivation for why Apple might drop firewire from Intel Macs - part of the deal with Intel?
Click to view mdawson's profile Old Hand 3,028 posts since
Aug 31, 2004
28. Sep 7, 2005 4:23 PM in response to: chewygoat
Re: iPod nano - ONLY USB 2.0?
Do you honestly think that Apple is going to forfeit their headway into the professional video production market to appease Intel? Apple supports USB and is responsible for the proliferation of USB devices on the market. It is not as if Macs have FireWire at the expense of providing USB; both interfaces coexist on the Mac and have done so for about seven years. As I stated originally, Intel chipsets support FireWire, it is Wintel PC OEMs that do not, excepting the growing presence of FireWire in Wintel laptops. It is highly improbable that Apple will abandon FireWire as it is an obvious step in the wrong direction. FireWire support on the Macintosh platform is not married to the iPods support or lack of support for the interface.


“Cannot run out of time. There is infinite time. You are finite. Zathras is finite. This is wrong tool.” 2.3GHz Power Mac G5/4GB/500GB HDD/OS X 10.4.11/30-inch ACD, 60GB iPod (Color)
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Oct 19, 2001
29. Sep 7, 2005 4:48 PM in response to: mdawson
Re: iPod nano - ONLY USB 2.0?
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I read that the nano can play slide shows. Can it play slideshows output to a TV via the A/V cable like the current iPod models? I do not see the A/V cable offered or suggested as an accessory.

Just wondering.

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I don't think so - look at the specs on apple.com, the iPod has TV Out and PAL / NTSC settings, where the nano hasn't, plus there's no mention of it whatsoever on the features page either. It looks like the nano is 'crippled' in this respect too.

Damn, no FireWire and no TV out - makes it a little less appealing. I still want one.