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Click to view MW Forums's profile New Member 12,220 posts since
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Oct 3, 2005 7:40 AM

Corel introduces Painter Essentials 3

Corel Corp. on Monday introduced Painter Essentials 3, a consumer application based on the company’s pro-level Painter IX. Targeted to digital photo enthusiasts, scrapbookers and other hobbyists, Corel said that all consumers would find the application easy to use. more
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Click to view Macheath_Messer's profile New Member 47 posts since
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1. Oct 3, 2005 7:45 AM in response to: MW Forums
It should be called "Tiger" Essentials
"Painter" has been out for quite some time, and it was replaced by Tiger as the premiere release of OS X. Oops, that's "painter" and not "Panther".

Just kidding. Couldn't resist.

Have a great Monday!

Mackie
Click to view uchuugaka's profile Member 438 posts since
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2. Oct 3, 2005 8:16 AM in response to: Macheath_Messer
Re: It should be called "Tiger" Essentials
that thing better pack a lot o' features for so-called home users to buy it for a hundred dollars.
especially considering corel's on/off support for the mac os over the years.
Click to view Freedom2005's profile New Member 27 posts since
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3. Oct 3, 2005 8:38 AM in response to: uchuugaka
Intead of Adobe's Photoshop Elements we have
... Painter Essentials. Good for Corel. They're picking up Adobe's scraps. Adobe is too good to release Photoshop Elements 4 for Mac when they put out the Windows version, so Painter decides it's a good time to release their consumer issue of their great Painter App. Painter has no equal as an art program, although its interface isn't as slick as Photoshop. You can do a lot with Photoshop, but Painter better simulates natural media. Actually Corel has done pretty well with Painter. So many apps have died because the parent company sells the product off to go into something more profitable or different. I'm losing faith somewhat with Adobe as of late, since I suspect they are killing off the greatest graphic design program of all time, Freehand. They're also puckering up to Microsoft.
Click to view moose_n_squirrel's profile Old Hand 2,828 posts since
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4. Oct 3, 2005 8:58 AM in response to: Freedom2005
Re: Intead of Adobe's Photoshop Elements we have
In reply to:<hr />
Adobe is too good to release Photoshop Elements 4 for Mac when they put out the Windows version, so Painter decides it's a good time to release their consumer issue of their great Painter App.

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That's funny, I see it as the opposite. How can Corel be such a great positive when the vast majority of their product line will probably never see a Mac desktop ever again, and also that Painter users aren't Photoshop users. I don't get it.

In reply to:<hr />
I'm losing faith somewhat with Adobe as of late, since I suspect they are killing off the greatest graphic design program of all time, Freehand. They're also puckering up to Microsoft.

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Macromedia killed the soul of FH a long time ago. I just read that Microsoft Office 12 will support PDF soon. that's not puckering up to Microsoft, that's Microsoft caving to an non-MS standard they can't ignore any longer. Every article I read said that Adobe taking over Macromedia was about forming an entity big enough to hold off the Microsoft threat. That ain't puckering up. That's war.
Click to view TxTom's profile Member 229 posts since
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5. Oct 3, 2005 9:34 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Corel introduces Painter Essentials 3
In a subsequent press release, Corel confirmed rumors that their support for the Mac version of Painter Essentials 3 will be discontinued as soon as they sell their 100th copy of the product.
Click to view tabasco_hot's profile Member 315 posts since
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6. Oct 3, 2005 10:03 AM in response to: TxTom
Re: Corel introduces Painter Essentials 3
Painter is a such a different app than PS. I think It's geared more for the traditional artist that is interested in digital painting more so than PS is even with PS's painting tools. I like both. I use both, and I couldn't be happy with just one of them alone. But, I think Painter is easier to adjust to if your used to traditional canvas. And probably preferable for most that intend on using their traditional techniques, and teachings in a digital format.
Click to view hayesk's profile Member 700 posts since
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7. Oct 3, 2005 11:13 AM in response to: Freedom2005
Re: Intead of Adobe's Photoshop Elements we have
If you made a product in both Windows and MacOS versions, and the Windows version is finished a month or two earlier - would you hold off two months of Windows revenue just to make a very small amount of Mac users stop whining and conjecturing? It is stupid. The Windows one was finished, so they released it.

This is silly. Judge Adobe by their actions, not by what you think they are going to be.
Click to view Steve_S's profile Enthusiast 1,009 posts since
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8. Oct 3, 2005 11:55 AM in response to: uchuugaka
Re: It should be called "Tiger" Essentials
In reply to:<hr />
especially considering corel's on/off support for the mac os over the years.

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Very true. Ideally, it would be nice to simply judge a product for what it is. Painter is very good at what it tries to do. That said, I have no interest supporting a company like Corel. Their credibility in the Mac market is justifiably low.

Steve
Click to view Steve_S's profile Enthusiast 1,009 posts since
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9. Oct 3, 2005 12:03 PM in response to: moose_n_squirrel
Re: Intead of Adobe's Photoshop Elements we have
In reply to:<hr />
I just read that Microsoft Office 12 will support PDF soon. that's not puckering up to Microsoft, that's Microsoft caving to an non-MS standard they can't ignore any longer.

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I'd consider that to be a stop gap measure for Microsoft. MS is busy creating it's PDF like "me to" technology called "metro". If you're not familiar, do a search on MS and metro.

Steve
Click to view JNack's profile New Member 14 posts since
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10. Oct 3, 2005 12:31 PM in response to: Freedom2005
Re: Intead of Adobe's Photoshop Elements we have
Adobe is too good to release Photoshop Elements 4 for Mac when they put out the Windows version

I would have thought that knowing that a new version was in development would make you happy, but there's no pleasing some people.

> I'm losing faith somewhat with Adobe as of late, since I suspect they
> are killing off the greatest graphic design program of all time, Freehand.

Adobe isn't doing anything to FreeHand--yet. Legally, we can't until the merger is a done deal. The legal requirement is that we run the businesses as separate entities until that happens. Therefore everything done with FreeHand until that time, and everything done in the last few years (e.g. not revving it for MX2004, and removing it from the Studio package) is and was strictly Macromedia's decision.

>They're also puckering up to Microsoft.

I recommend reading a few interviews with Bruce Chizen, Stephen Elop, and others about the rationale for the merger.

John Nack
Photoshop Product Manager
Click to view moose_n_squirrel's profile Old Hand 2,828 posts since
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11. Oct 3, 2005 1:16 PM in response to: Steve_S
Re: Intead of Adobe's Photoshop Elements we have
In reply to:<hr />
I'd consider that to be a stop gap measure for Microsoft. MS is busy creating it's PDF like "me to" technology called "metro". If you're not familiar, do a search on MS and metro.

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Yeah, I read about metro a long time ago. Question is, if MS wants to beat PDF, why would they begin supporting it at this late date? Shouldn't they be trying to bury it? I don't get that part.
Click to view rickchampagne's profile New Member 1 posts since
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12. Oct 3, 2005 1:44 PM in response to: TxTom
Re: Corel introduces Painter Essentials 3
Hi Folks,

I know TxTom was kidding, but I wanted to assure you that Corel Painter will continue to evolve on the Mac platform. As a matter of business, the Mac/PC customer split is roughly 50/50, so it wouldn't make sense for us to drop support for Mac OS. In addition to that, everyone on the Painter Team uses a Mac either at work or as our platform of choice at home. We couldn't even imagine our Macs without Painter or Painter Essentials!
Regarding the Adobe Photoshop Elements discussion, tabasco_hot, in our experience, reflects what our customers tell us. Painter and Photoshop are very different products and a comparison is unfair to either product. Our strengths are very different, and many of our customers are using Photoshop (and Photoshop Elements) as their primary image editor, and use Painter (and Painter Essentials) as their primary painting, photo painting, and illustration application. Painter has been built from the ground up as an artist's toolkit, not a digital darkroom. Hope that clarifies things, and if you still have questions, feel free to drop me a line!

Kindest Regards,

Rick Champagne
Program Manager, Corel Painter
rick.champagne@corel.com

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Click to view drillbo's profile New Member 35 posts since
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13. Oct 3, 2005 2:25 PM in response to: rickchampagne
Re: Corel introduces Painter Essentials 3
In reply to the posts about Corel's lack of support for the Mac, that is not true of Painter. I've been using it since before Corel owned it and feel that it's a Mac first, Windows second application (though they have supported Windows just as well),

Also, even though both apps kind of overlap, Painter is very different from PS. I use them both and are both are important tools in my toolbox.

I only wish that the interfaces (especially layer handling) were the same in both. Not that one is better than the other, just that they are different enough to cause confusion when going back and forth between apps.
Click to view H53kilo's profile New Member 5 posts since
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14. Oct 3, 2005 4:38 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Corel introduces Painter Essentials 3
Painter is much more than I need as a hobbiest. Painter Essentials sounds right up my alley. I'll certainly be having a look.

As a long time Adobe user I was extremely disappointed when Adobe dropped Framemaker / elected not to make an OS-X version. I wish I was at WWDC when Chizen made the statement up on stage about Adobe being the first company to move all their apps to OS-X..... I would have yelled, "Really? Where's FrameMaker Bruce?"