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minderbinder

1,094 posts since
Aug 30, 2004

15. Feb 1, 2006 11:03 AM

in response to: minderbinder

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

A correction on this story - looks like the disk return is for only some of the pro apps.

Upgrading to Logic 7.2 doesn't require it.

canettijazz

32 posts since
Apr 30, 2005

16. Feb 1, 2006 11:06 AM

in response to: MW Forums

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

Figured there would be some negative reaction to sending the original disks back to Apple in order to crossgrade. Two potential problems that I see with the mail in process: 1) As others have mentioned, unavailability of the original discs if you need to re-install while the new discs haven't yet arrived; 2) Stuff gets lost in the mail.
I'd definitely make a backup of the disc before mailing it to Apple, plus I'd definitely send it via certified mail, so you have some way to track it. Can you imagine the problems you'd have if Apple said they never received your discs in the mail? Too bad there's no option to crossgrade at the Apple stores.
Great deal on the FCS upgrade. I'd take advantage of it now, even though you may not need the current version now. This would let you take advantage of upgrade pricing down the road since FCS apps will no longer be available individually.
Apple should realize not selling the apps individually opens the door to piracy.

longofest

78 posts since
May 8, 2005

17. Feb 1, 2006 11:06 AM

in response to: MW Forums

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

Apple's reason for only offering the apps as Final Cut Studio is BUNK, and I hate it. I, like many people, have picked and chose which products I wanted to use because I was on something called a "budget."

My setup is the following: Final Cut Express 2.x + DVD Studio Pro 2.x. Under the old terms, I would be able to upgrade my DVD Studio Pro application for only $199. Now, in order to get an updated version, I have to shell out $1299!!! This is ridiculous!!! I have already spent $500 on DVD Studio Pro once! Is Apple really evil enough to penalize people who don't upgrade every revision?

Also, in my setup, I really have all of the functionality that I need. The only other application that I wanted was Motion, which used to be available for $200. Now, in order to add that functionality, I would need to shell out $1299. Ridiculous.

Basically, Apple is forcing me to make a $1300 purchase instead of just the $400 I had planned on. Asswipes.

rmeister0

233 posts since
Jan 28, 2005

18. Feb 1, 2006 11:11 AM

in response to: longofest

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

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Legally, I don't think Apple allows backup of the disks although I'd have to check the license agreement.

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As long as those backups never leave your possession, who will care? You are allowed to make backups of software you have legally purchased, and even if you aren't the Apple Police won't show up at your door and audit you home.

Your business is another matter.

Requiring the disks back bothers me. I worked with other companies in the past that requested things like the title page of your manual and that was fine. Even Adobe didn't ask for my original media when I did a cross-license upgrade form Mac to Windows.

To discontinue selling the components of Final Cut suite separately is going to leave a lot of high-end amateurs out in the cold. Too bad. iMovie was good enough for what I need to do with it, but I really prefer authoring in DVD SP. Guess I won't be doing that anymore.

2bigfeet

4 posts since
Sep 22, 2005

19. Feb 1, 2006 11:20 AM

in response to: MW Forums

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

If you send your disc's by way of USPS use some sort of delivery confirmation process. Twice Apple burned me for rebates... claim they never recieved them. Of course it could have been the Postal service. None the less two $50 rebates I'll never see.

grandzign

3 posts since
Feb 1, 2006

20. Feb 1, 2006 11:23 AM

in response to: MW Forums

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

Please correct me if I am wrong here, but isn't a "Universal" application installable on both IBM and Intel chips? Hence the term "Universal"? The new iLife '06 is, I believe, Universal, and can be installed on "PowerPC G4, PowerPC G5 or Intel Core processor..." as stated by the "Requirements" on the back of the box.

minderbinder

1,094 posts since
Aug 30, 2004

21. Feb 1, 2006 11:26 AM

in response to: grandzign

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

Yes.

grandzign

3 posts since
Feb 1, 2006

22. Feb 1, 2006 11:43 AM

in response to: minderbinder

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

...Thank you, Mindbender.

So let me do some " for instance" math here...

If I own Sountrack Pro (current version) for $299.00 +

I own a 2.7 GHz Dual G5 +

I pay $199 for the "Universal" upgrade =

I'll be able to get the whole FCP Studio for $500.00, that will work on my machine AND cost $800.00 less than someone who owns none of the pro appplications OR just recently paid $1299.00 for the whole package.

Is my math correct?

BTW: I own all the current versions of FCP Express HD, DVD Studio Pro, Soundtrack Pro and Motion. I bought them individually, over time, so this would be great for me. But is sounds like a great deal for someone who only owns ONE pro application.

minderbinder

1,094 posts since
Aug 30, 2004

23. Feb 1, 2006 12:15 PM

in response to: grandzign

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

Looks like it. It's a great deal for someone who wants the full suite and has one now.

Rugby

1,300 posts since
Aug 28, 2004

24. Feb 1, 2006 12:28 PM

in response to: jedi228

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

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to risk downtime if they have million dollar projects

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they could invest some of that money to buy an external backup. Anybody handling this size projects should have them removed from them if they fail to have a decent back up plan

Adwiz

237 posts since
Aug 27, 2004

25. Feb 1, 2006 12:35 PM

in response to: grandzign

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

Okay, because of all the confusion, here are the details directly from the Apple Store:

Upgrade from Final Cut Pro 5: $99
You get Final Cut Studio (Universal) Shipping March 2006 PDF order form

Upgrade from Final Cut Pro 4 or HD (4.5): $199
You get Final Cut Studio (Universal) Shipping March 2006 PDF order form

Upgrade from Motion 2: $199
You get Final Cut Studio (Universal) Shipping March 2006 PDF order form

Upgrade from Soundtrack Pro: $199
You get Final Cut Studio (Universal) Shipping March 2006 PDF order form

Upgrade from DVD Studio Pro 4: $199
You get Final Cut Studio (Universal) Shipping March 2006 PDF order form

Upgrade from Production Suite: $199
You get Final Cut Studio (Universal) Shipping March 2006 PDF order form

Upgrade from Final Cut Pro 1, 2, or 3: $699
You get Final Cut Studio (Universal) Available March 2006 (no downloadable upgrade PDF)

Hope that helps

gilgamesh

4 posts since
Nov 16, 2004

26. Feb 1, 2006 12:42 PM

in response to: grandzign

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

Seems to me that someone who bought more than 1 of the programs (FCP 4 or 5, Motion 2, Soundtrack Pro, DVD Studio Pro, or production suite) could easily sell one of them on ebay (or the like) since there are going to be soooo many people wanting to find one so they can upgrade to Studio Universal. I imagine you'll get close to full price.

melgross

308 posts since
Sep 9, 2004

27. Feb 1, 2006 12:45 PM

in response to: Adwiz

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

All you had to do was to post this:

http://www.apple.com/universal/crossgrade/

I thought to look it up after my earlier post. It has all of the info you need.

hayesk

879 posts since
Aug 7, 2004

28. Feb 1, 2006 1:00 PM

in response to: jedi228

Re: Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps

Funny how the people complaining about not having their disks are worried about failure.

If it's so important to you, why don't you have a clone of your hard disk. Given the time it would take to reinstall and configure all your software, (remember, not having those disks for a few days is worth sooooo much money right), you must certainly have a backup of your disk. You'd be a fool not to.

This is a non-issue. It's just one of those things people whine about without thinking it through.

MacPCJustCreate

895 posts since
Sep 1, 2004

29. Feb 1, 2006 1:22 PM

in response to: longofest

"Asswipes"

Do not buy then. I would love to see a video of Apple Computer Inc. forcing you to buy the new FCS bundle. Let's see perhaps the scene could evolve with CEO Steve intensely focusing his RDF on you and then it would cutaway to a dreamy scene where you would be seen symbolically drinking the "KOOLAID", then a quick cut to you holding the new FCS bundle while you are checking your credit card statement online because your buying FCS felt like a dream. Oh well.

Apple can do whatever they want such as only selling the bundle FCS instead of the separate apps. If you do not like their policy then do not buy. You might consider migrating to the PC if the apps are sold separately over on that side. Or perhaps an older version of the single app you wanted is for sale on e-bay and you could buy it there. Calling the policies of a Corporation (singular) http://remember it is Apple Computer Inc. "Asswipes" (plural) is just plain inane. Do something to figure out your dilemma rather than passively whining and calling a Corporation a plurality name.

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