Quantcast
You are not logged in, click here to log in.
12 Replies Last post: Feb 10, 2006 2:41 AM by whitedog  
Click to view MW Forums's profile New Member 12,220 posts since
Aug 2, 2004
Reply

Feb 8, 2006 5:30 PM

Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users

Apple has updated its Backup software application with improved support for iDisk, new iWeb QuickPick and other changes. more
Reply
Click to view macnut222's profile New Member 17 posts since
Dec 22, 2004
1. Feb 8, 2006 6:15 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
You should also make it clear that Backup 3.1 is now a Universal Binary.

No more Ram guzzling Rosetta for Backup!
Click to view macnuke's profile Old Hand 6,672 posts since
Mar 5, 2004
2. Feb 8, 2006 6:34 PM in response to: macnut222
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
so I have to store all those extra bits of intel program on my PPC?
perhaps I won't update.
Click to view lhudd's profile Member 324 posts since
Nov 16, 2004
3. Feb 8, 2006 9:45 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
Does Backup have the ability to do an incremental backup? I can't find this information anywhere.
Click to view whitedog's profile Enthusiast 989 posts since
Aug 9, 2004
4. Feb 9, 2006 1:16 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
I may be lame but I just don't get Backup. You pay an arm and a leg to rent online storage when you could own a great deal more of it on an external hard drive - without all the network issues that seem to crop up constantly. If someone could tell me what the advantages to online backups are I would be grateful.


Don't anthropomorphize computers - They hate that.
Click to view faustus67's profile New Member 8 posts since
Jan 5, 2006
5. Feb 9, 2006 2:20 AM in response to: whitedog
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
Well, let's say there is a fire at your house. With a lot of luck, one of your hard drives may survive. If you have an off-site backup, then you at least have that data. I use .Mac to backup my work files - I can reintall the system and software, but the work stuff is not so easy to get back.

Dave
Click to view SimDude's profile New Member 41 posts since
Aug 12, 2004
6. Feb 9, 2006 2:32 AM in response to: whitedog
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
While I have a .Mac account, I use Backup to back my stuff up to a network drive in my home and occassionally to DVDs. It's actually a pretty decent backup program. Early versions were slow and buggy but it's gotten much better with time and if you already have a .Mac account, you get it included anyway.

If you do not have a .Mac account or cancel it, you can still use Backup, BUT, you are limited to 100 Meg backups reducing its usefulness.

If you are interested in a free backup solution and not afraid of a little shell scripting, one that I like can be found here:

http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue47/pollman.html

There are a few variable to change at the top for backup source and location but that's it. It works nice doing full and incremental backups. It creates gzipped tar files. It also helps to be familiar with cron so you can schedule backups. The GUI program CronniX makes this a little easier. It is also free. I use this as my backup solution at work and its worked well.
Click to view d00d's profile Macworld Editorial 12,136 posts since
Apr 24, 2001
7. Feb 9, 2006 4:30 AM in response to: lhudd
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
Yes, and it maintains what the differences were each time, so you can restore to any backup run state (this comes at a space cost of course).
Click to view macnuke's profile Old Hand 6,672 posts since
Mar 5, 2004
8. Feb 9, 2006 4:51 AM in response to: whitedog
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
I use .mac for much more than just backup.
and as I also have a portable, it can save you on the road.
I do my best to cary bootable DW with my laptop. but should it not be fixable with that, .mac is handy from anywhere with an internet connection.
Click to view minderbinder's profile Enthusiast 1,094 posts since
Aug 30, 2004
9. Feb 9, 2006 5:23 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
Is there any way for non dotmac users to get this app?

If not, any recommendations for a similar backup/sync app?
Click to view Peter Cohen's profile Macworld Editorial 4,204 posts since
Feb 5, 2003
10. Feb 9, 2006 5:49 AM in response to: minderbinder
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
In reply to:<hr />
Is there any way for non dotmac users to get this app?

<hr />


Nope. Backup is designed to work with .Mac, and requires an active .Mac account to work, even if you're using it to backup to local media rather than your iDisk space.
Click to view Machound's profile Member 866 posts since
Jan 4, 2004
11. Feb 9, 2006 9:49 AM in response to: minderbinder
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
Check out SuperDuper! It's available at VersionTracker. This is an excellent program with first-rate support. Better yet, the basic functionality is free until you want to unlock the more advanced features; that involves a reasonable shareware fee.

I agree with previous posters that an off-site backup is a really good idea. I keep at least one bootable FileVault encrypted backup hard drive in my office at all times. AND I put all my other hard drives that aren't being used in a fire-resistant safe at home. Hopefully I'll never need all these layers of protection but I sleep better at night knowing I've done what I can to avoid catastrophies.

.Mac is another way to accomplish the same thing for people who don't have that much data to backup, or for whom a fire resistant safe is too costly or bulky. There's certainly more than one way to get the job done.
Click to view whitedog's profile Enthusiast 989 posts since
Aug 9, 2004
12. Feb 10, 2006 2:41 AM in response to: SimDude
Re: Apple releases Backup 3.1 for .Mac users
Well, I'm glad some people have a use for Apple Backup. However, there are several low cost alternatives for those not using a .Mac account that relieve me of the necessity of resorting to shell scripts. Carbon Copy Cloner was the first reliable OS X backup utility and works properly even in unpaid mode (though I did pay for it eventually). However, while the developer was waiting for Apple to work out some bugs in Tiger I moved on to SuperDuper! It does an excellent job of incremental backups, among other things. It can backup to network volumes and is scriptable. For folder level synchronizations/backups I use SwitchBack, which made the move from OS 9 to OS X early on. There are numerous other shareware backup and synchronization utilities out there, but since the ones I mention have worked well for me I've not felt the need to try the others.

For the kind of catastrophic data loss that faustus67 mentions, a network backup is still pretty limited. Theoretically I could pay for the tens of gigabytes of network storage necessary to backup all my documents, music and image files - and the bandwidth to move them, but it would hardly be cost effective. Dual layer DVDs are an option, but burning them is time consuming - and, at the moment, still expensive. The most efficient and cost effective method of backup is still an external hard drive or two. Placed in a safe deposit box they would certainly be as secure as any network volume and probably more so; though not as stable and permanent as optical media, their relatively low cost and superior ease of use make them a more viable alternative, in my opinion.

For individual, as opposed to corporate users, network storage is adequate for modest amounts of data and is convenient for the traveler who doesn't wish to carry around an external drive - which, after all, is subject to the same kinds of loss and damage that his computer is and, therefore, would hardly be more secure.

As for restoring my system and all my software, that's not a project to be taken lightly. In fact, I've had that problem before when the boot drive on my computer failed. It cost me weeks of productivity and some data I was never able to recover from the drive. It's a far better use of my time and money to backup my whole system, documents, applications and all, on an external drive. After I adopted this strategy, when, once more a drive failed on me, I was back up and running in a matter of minutes. A few more non-urgent hours to bring some applications and utilities back up to date and all was well. And, using a mirror backup, there were no image, compression, encryption or permissions issues to deal with. The biggest problem I had was with some broken aliases that needed to be replaced.

I avoid Retrospect because its proprietary archive format is subject to corruption - I've lost access to backups made with Retrospect and am not inclined to trust it again. That experience also warns me away from some of the other imaging, compression and encryption options. Fortunately I don't have the kind of security issues that make those methods desirable. And Retrospect is far too expensive if all you're going to do is make mirror backups. Others can do that and much else perfectly well for much less.

I know other people have other backup needs and strategies. There is certainly no best or one size fits all solution. Be that as it may, all of us together are still a minority of computer users. We can flatter ourselves that we, who backup, are the wise ones.


Don't anthropomorphize computers - They hate that.