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Click to view MW Forums's profile New Member 12,220 posts since
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Apr 7, 2006 3:50 PM

PC World: Boot Camp graphics tests

PC World has completed its first tests of an iMac Core Duo running Windows XP, showing how game graphics perform on the system. more
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Click to view SeanoVox's profile New Member 79 posts since
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1. Apr 7, 2006 4:52 PM in response to: MW Forums
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When You read the fine print you see that the laptops have 256 MB of VRAM while the imac has just 128. and it beats the HP. this seems really promising for the Mac-Intel towers. then the comparison will be more interesting when you can see the same card with the same amount of ram. also i would like to the the MINI vs. Wintel with the INTEL graphics... i am kinda sad i bought my mini back in the fall.
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Click to view michaelb's profile New Member 112 posts since
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2. Apr 7, 2006 5:47 PM in response to: SeanoVox
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Yes, it's a shame they didn't use a 256MB VRAM iMac to match the tests better. There could have been some lag in shuffling textures in and out.

However, the HP had 256MB (plus a faster processor) and the 128MB iMac still bested it in every test.

It would be interesting to know what gave the Acer's x1600 a clear edge over both the other PC systems and the iMac. Possibly the manufacturer has overclocked it?

It might be possible to hack the iMac to get the same performance (albeit at the cost of MTBF life).

Click to view Nightveil's profile New Member 22 posts since
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3. Apr 7, 2006 6:09 PM in response to: MW Forums
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That's about what I'd expect given the system configurations. The iMac is only a few frames slower than the fastest machine in the bunch. Realistically, a few frames per second isn't going to be noticeable by most players.
Click to view entspeak's profile New Member 55 posts since
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4. Apr 7, 2006 10:03 PM in response to: michaelb
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The Acer also had 2GB of RAM vs the 1GB in the iMac. That combined with twice the VRAM might be the reason for the better framerates.
Click to view ZardoZ's profile New Member 19 posts since
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5. Apr 8, 2006 11:03 AM in response to: MW Forums
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I wonder if iTunes running on the Windows and Mac partitions are counted as two of the five permitted machines under the iTunes license...
Click to view jmincey's profile Old Hand 3,871 posts since
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6. Apr 8, 2006 11:08 AM in response to: ZardoZ
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Wow -- interesting question. My guess is that it would be (counted as two machines) in which case Apple should rectify that situation. But the operative word here is guess. My speculation isn't worth anything so we will have to wait and see until someone puts this to the test.

But the two separate iTunes do run on what the software will see as entirely different platforms and they will have separate, stand-alone settings files. So this doesn't augur well for the prospects that iTunes will regard both running instances as a single license on one machine.
Click to view sandbag1's profile Member 765 posts since
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7. Apr 8, 2006 12:00 PM in response to: jmincey
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Seeing as iTunes is a free download for both platforms, does it really matter?
Click to view tmedia1's profile Member 340 posts since
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8. Apr 8, 2006 12:00 PM in response to: MW Forums
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This is freakin awesome, I'm ordering my new MacBook Monday. One question I haven't seen anyone adress: printing features in XP. Can we assume printing works like a regular PC?

Click to view jmincey's profile Old Hand 3,871 posts since
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9. Apr 8, 2006 12:18 PM in response to: sandbag1
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"Seeing as iTunes is a free download for both platforms, does it really matter?"

Yes, because it's not about the software itself. Suppose at home you have a family using a LAN of five computers -- each running iTunes. Apple's EULA (for iTMS) allows music sharing among these five computers, but suppose on one you install Boot Camp and Windows -- and then run iTunes there as well. Would this be considered a sixth use, even though it's not actually an additional computer?

Thiis is the question as I understand it.
Click to view sandbag1's profile Member 765 posts since
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10. Apr 8, 2006 12:25 PM in response to: jmincey
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So what you're saying then is that you can have it on 6 computers but can only share music between 5?
Click to view jmincey's profile Old Hand 3,871 posts since
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11. Apr 8, 2006 12:48 PM in response to: sandbag1
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I'm saying that you can have iTunes installed on as many computers as you like. But as I understand the iTMS user policies, music you have downloaded from that particular source can be shared on a LAN (or outside a LAN, for that matter) only among five computers. This is why it is necessary to de-authorize one computer before newly authorizing another (once you have hit that five-computer limit).

For example, I have authorized my mother's computer to listen to certain AAC files I have purchased from iTMS. She lives 250 miles from me but her computer is one of only two which has such authorization. That gives me three others. But when I hit that limit of five, then I need either to de-authorize one of the computers or just make my peace with the whole DRM thing, (which readers of these forums will know I'm not inclined to do in any event).

So the introduction of Windows and OS X dual-boot capability raises some interesting implications in this regard. It's still one box but it may represent two or more platforms. I think Apple will need to make allowance for this in future versions of iTunes -- and perhaps in other software as well.
Click to view Peter Cohen's profile Macworld Editorial 4,052 posts since
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12. Apr 8, 2006 12:57 PM in response to: tmedia1
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Can we assume printing works like a regular PC?

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Yep. Obviously your Mac doesn't grow a parallel port when you install Windows XP on it (that'd be a neat trick though), but if you have a USB, bluetooth or network printer that works in XP, it should work with the Mac.

The important thing to understand is that as far as XP is concerned once you've updated your firmware and run Boot Camp, your Mac is a PC -- there are precious few limitations to how you can set it up (the iSight camera and Apple USB modem don't work, for example).
Click to view jmincey's profile Old Hand 3,871 posts since
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13. Apr 8, 2006 1:17 PM in response to: Peter Cohen
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"...the iSight camera and Apple USB modem don't work..."

I can understand why iSight would fail to work under WinXP, but why wouldn't the USB modem work? I'm not questioning what you say; I'm just surprised and wonder what the impediment would be.

I assume Apple uses all the standard communication protocols in its modems and that it uses even the venerable (if very old) Hayes AT standard as well. Why would any Windows communications software not be able to talk to the Apple modem through the USB serial interface?
Click to view leroybrown's profile Member 322 posts since
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14. Apr 9, 2006 7:03 AM in response to: jmincey
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I can understand why iSight would fail to work under WinXP, but why wouldn't the USB modem work? I'm not questioning what you say; I'm just surprised and wonder what the impediment would be.


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It's a software modem. The CPU does all the modulation/demodulation work. That's why.