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Click to view MW Forums's profile New Member 12,220 posts since
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May 31, 2006 7:10 PM

Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will continue

Despite reports to the contrary, Adobe insists the company is not stopping support for GoLive and Freehand. more
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Click to view chuckmoser's profile New Member 18 posts since
Feb 4, 2003
1. May 31, 2006 8:07 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development...
God, I hope so. FreeHand is a fantastic app.
I've always been amazed at the Illustrator-only folks that knock FreeHand without ever having seriously used it. It's comparable to Windows users knocking Macs when they've never given them a fair shot. Once they do, they're usually hooked.

Just my 2.
Click to view iron_chef's profile Member 312 posts since
Aug 28, 2004
2. May 31, 2006 8:11 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will continue
freehand for a application nearly 3 years older than Illustrator is still superior in many respects...

multipage support (with multiple, independent sizes for each page too!)
multipage PDFs with interactive links.
ability to work in multiple color modes (ie: CMYK, RGB, etc) ALL AT THE SAME TIME. (Color mode is only determined at the point of printing or export...thus preserving your gamut without the CMYK to RGB sacrifices.)
ability to export selected graphics by selection only
search and replace by vector graphics
master style pages and templates.

PLEASE ADOBE...let FREEHAND INNOVATE. It's actually an extremely POWERFUL APPLICATION.
3 YEARS OLD and STILL (in many respects) WAY AHEAD.
Click to view JScott's profile Member 235 posts since
Sep 7, 2004
3. May 31, 2006 8:16 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will continue
I used Freehand for many years and absolutely loved it. Its very intuartive. A few years back I had to switch to Illustrator and have found it to be a very good program also. Its still clunky compared to Freehands UI though. I would love to see Adobe take the best parts of each program and merge them.
Click to view powerbrent's profile New Member 162 posts since
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4. May 31, 2006 8:19 PM in response to: iron_chef
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will continue
I'm sure Adobe will roll Free-hand's features into Illustrator, and vice-versa. Then, will will be much easier to discontinue underperforming products. However, I don't see there being a chance until all products have feature parity.
Click to view tomottoe's profile New Member 29 posts since
May 29, 2003
5. May 31, 2006 8:31 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will continue
I find it really hard to imagine how this redundant development helps Adobe--seems like it drains already thin resources. Though I'm not sure, if they were to shop either app around, who would or could pick it up.

These two apps should continue to live on and compete/drive development for Illustrator and Dreamweaver; but surely living under the same roof as their competition will prove to be the least dynamic situation.
Click to view gpenston's profile New Member 1 posts since
May 31, 2006
6. May 31, 2006 8:37 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will co
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I really get the sense that this is Adobe's way of letting us down easy. Although the title of this post is "Adobe: GoLive and FreeHand development will continue", no where in the post does the Adobe representative specifically says this. Instead the representative says, "Adobe plans to continue to support GoLive and Freehand and develop these products based on our customers needs". Supporting products and continuing to develop them are two very different things in my mind.

What I suspect Adobe is planning on doing is offer transition features in Illustrator and Dreamweaver for longtime FreeHand and GoLive users. Features that would allow for easy import of existing FreeHand files and GoLive sites. This along with bringing over popular features in these products to help migrate users to the "market leaders". Hopefully we'll see FreeHand's Auto Shapes show up in the next Illustrator and Dreamweaver gets GoLive's Smart Objects and refined UI.

You can see this sort of "continued support" in the relationship found between PageMaker and InDesign. PageMaker 7.0 is still available to buy although it hasn't been upgraded in years and InDesign can open PageMaker files and now even offers a PageMaker toolbar. PageMaker is now considered the right tool for business publishing while InDesign is "a new standard in professional layout and design".
Click to view Deejemon's profile New Member 124 posts since
Feb 4, 2004
7. May 31, 2006 9:41 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will co
They should probably re-align Freehand and Illustrator, and GoLive and Dreamweaver, as con-/prosumer and Pro-level apps respectively. Merge the Freehand and Illustrator together as the New Illustrator, then pull out the high-end features to create the New Freehand (to take on, like, Apple's Pages). Ditto New GoLive derived from cutting down New Dreamweaver (itself derived from merging the existing Dreamweaver and GoLive).

Otherwise, I can see neither of them lasting that long. "based on our customers needs" is a loaded statement, because they can then come along and say "90% of our customers are satisfied with moving from Freehand to Illustrator", and it would be hard to argue; even if you're not satisfied with Illustrator, they've just boxed you into a minority and shifted the blame to the users.
Click to view jedi228's profile Member 417 posts since
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8. May 31, 2006 10:04 PM in response to: gpenston
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will co
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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I really get the sense that this is Adobe's way of letting us down easy. Although the title of this post is "Adobe: GoLive and FreeHand development will continue", no where in the post does the Adobe representative specifically says this.

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gpenston is completely right. Adobe's statement really means "We will continue to sell this product and take your money. We will provide minimal support but we will not be adding new features. We do not have A-list engineers working on this product. In fact, nobody here at Adobe is really looking at this product except for the sales guy that will take your order."

The term "based on our customer's needs" is a political spin statement that sounds customer friendly but basically allows Adobe to do whatever the heck it wants in the coming years.

This kind of B.S. public statement is completely in Adobe's favor and unhelpful for customers who need to make long-term product decisions. I would prefer that they kill the product and announce the fact clearly rather than making equivocal statements that defer hard choices for later.

In any case, my guess is that Dreamweaver and Illustrator are the future. Go Live and Freehand are for the stooges that purchase the software today hoping that they will continue. Adobe doesn't have the balls to be truthful.
Click to view jedi228's profile Member 417 posts since
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9. May 31, 2006 10:12 PM in response to: chuckmoser
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development...
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FreeHand is a fantastic app.

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You may be right, but product features aren't important. The only number that counts is the sales volume and Illustrator outsells FreeHand. It doesn't make sense for Adobe to put half of the engineers on Illustrator and the other half on Freehand. (or 2/3 1/3 etc.) Adobe will put all the engineers on the higher volume product and let the other product sit.

Though publicly they will say they are still standing behind Freehand, etc. In private they aren't even thinking about it. It is already a dead product.
Click to view grubesteak's profile New Member 4 posts since
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10. May 31, 2006 10:52 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will continue
While I like Freehand, I could do without GoLive. Oh wait, I did. My company just purchased the Adobe web bundle for me and I skipped the GoLive installation. Give me Dreamweaver 8 instead.
Click to view TheTSArt's profile New Member 175 posts since
Feb 19, 2004
11. Jun 1, 2006 12:27 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will continue
I hope GoLive does have a future... Dreamweaver, and most Macromedia apps make no sense to me. I've tried to use it, but the UI seems so counterintuitive.
Click to view MaxMacDonald's profile New Member 42 posts since
Nov 16, 2005
12. Jun 1, 2006 7:50 AM in response to: gpenston
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will co
I agree with those who contend that this is merely Adobe treating FH loyalists with kid gloves. FH will indeed be kept available but it's obvious that it makes no sense to keep developing a competitor product under the same roof. FreeHand will not be carried forward... the corpse has been embalmed and will be on display in its glass casing for an extended period of mourning. Meanwhile, Adobe is free to implement in future versions of Illustrator certain extremely useful features in FreeHand which were previously patent-protected.

It had to happen. Since Adobe was not mandated to sell off FreeHand after the merger, it was free to do with it whatever it wanted. It makes no business sense to actively develop both vector apps... and considering how certain FH features, like multiple pages, flies in the face of Adobe's philosophy as expressed in the CS Suite (different apps for different tasks), FreeHand would be b@stard child of the stable.

Adobe has been busy gutting FreeHand but it's never been diplomatic to admit it. I don't blame them. Years down the road this will all amount to historical footnotes.

RIP FreeHand. Now bring on an interesting new Illustrator!
Click to view serpicolugnut's profile New Member 6 posts since
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13. Jun 1, 2006 5:37 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will continue
It's a bogus statement. If Adobe is going to "continue development based upon their customer's needs", I can guarantee you that the #1 "customer need" of these apps will be that they are converted to be Universal Binaries. Do you think Adobe will do that? Not a chance.

The other posters have it right. This translates in to Adobe saying "we'll continue to sell these applications seperate from the Creative Suite becuase it costs us nothing to do so. You may see minimal bug fixes in the future, but neither application will ever see further feature development".

I wish Apple would come in and buy both. Apple worked wonders for Final Cut when it bought it from Macromedia. It could do the same with these two applications, and Adobe might actually have some competition to keep it honest.
Click to view fribhey's profile Member 671 posts since
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14. Jun 1, 2006 6:46 AM in response to: gpenston
Re: Adobe: GoLive and Freehand development will co
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"Adobe plans to continue to support GoLive and Freehand and develop these products based on our customers needs". Supporting products and continuing to develop them are two very different things in my mind.

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that's exactly what i thought after reading that. nowhere does it say that adobe will continue to develop those programs.