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Click to view Macworld.com's profile Enthusiast 1,900 posts since
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Aug 1, 2006 4:20 PM

Editors' Notes Weblog: Quicken 2007 lacks Universal appeal

Intuit's decision to release a major update to Quicken that doesn't run natively on Intel-based Macs is a puzzling move -- and one that will have more than a few Mac users questioning the company's interest in this platform. more
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Click to view TonyStark's profile New Member 1 posts since
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1. Aug 1, 2006 8:35 PM in response to: Macworld.com
Re: Editors' Notes Weblog: Quicken 2007 lacks Universal appeal
Thank-you Philip Michaels! Finally someone calls out Bill Campbell. For as bad as Intuit treats their Mac users, I never understood why he is on the Board of Directors. This just makes no sense. As a shareholder, I vote against his participation whenever the opportunity arises.

Last year, Intuit suddenly shut off my ability to pay bills online in Quicken since I hadn't upgraded to the latest version. I had not received any notification of the upgrade or the pending service disconnect. When I called them, they claimed it was because they did not have current contact info. But apparently none of the above prevented them from continuing to withdraw the service fee from my bank account even though I could not use the service. That was the last straw. I switched to Money Dance and use my bank's online bill paying capability. I am so happy to be "off" of Quicken.

(FYI, although I have been reading Macworld (online & in print) for years, this is the first article that ever motivated me to register here so that I could post.)

Thanks again,
Tony Stark
Click to view IndyJeff's profile New Member 37 posts since
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2. Aug 1, 2006 9:08 PM in response to: Macworld.com
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Has anyone ever needed Quicken to run faster? Would Intel-native adding and subtacting provide a better user experience than emulated PowerPC adding and subtracing?
Click to view RalphDaily's profile New Member 16 posts since
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3. Aug 1, 2006 9:35 PM in response to: TonyStark
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Tony, I understand what you are saying. I have no idea why he's on the board other than sometimes it helps to have people on the team that think differently. Most software companies don't have a mac presence at all, and having one on the board wih only lukewarm mac presence might be interesting. ralph

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Thank-you Philip Michaels! Finally someone calls out Bill Campbell. For as bad as Intuit treats their Mac users, I never understood why he is on the Board of Directors. This just makes no sense. As a shareholder, I vote against his participation whenever the opportunity arises.

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Click to view pairof9s's profile New Member 120 posts since
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4. Aug 1, 2006 10:26 PM in response to: Macworld.com
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As a current beta tester for QuickBooks 2007 for Mac, I'm happy to tell you that the next version will indeed be Universal Binary. There are some other very nice feature additions that Mac users will appreciate; I'll refrain from disclosing them. Suffice to say the features will justify the upgrade.

As for Quicken 2007, I see no reason why Intuit failed to develop a UB version. If they can do it for QuickBooks then surely they can do it for subset program like Quicken.
Click to view kimhill's profile New Member 42 posts since
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5. Aug 1, 2006 11:18 PM in response to: Macworld.com
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Quicken has to be a prime example of an app that doesn't need to be Universal. I'd much rather have new features than some kind of abstract satisfaction that inside my Mac somewhere, I'm running more efficient code -- code that has essentially no impact on my experience of actually using the software.

I think the indignation is misplaced.
Click to view fitzage's profile New Member 17 posts since
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6. Aug 1, 2006 11:33 PM in response to: Macworld.com
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Big Freakin' Deal.

Quicken is an app that absolutely does not need to be Universal. Do I hope they get it there at some point? Yes, but Quicken 2007 runs great on my MBP and my wife's MB. If they still don't have Universal support by Quicken 2008, then I might complain. But for now, get over it.
Click to view lwdesign's profile Member 456 posts since
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7. Aug 1, 2006 11:38 PM in response to: Macworld.com
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I would expect Intuit to be more intuit-ive. OK, sorry. I couldn't help myself.
Click to view Spark's profile Member 227 posts since
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8. Aug 1, 2006 11:44 PM in response to: TonyStark
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I never understood why he is on the Board of Directors.

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I wondered the same thing about Al Gore. I can attest to the fact that my MacBook Pro is contributing to Global Warming. Every time I fire this puppy up I can hear ice flows crumbling in Alaska.

As for Quicken: It is not an issue if Quickin can run adequately under Rosetta emulation. It is that Intuit has once again made a clear statement that the Macintosh platform runs a distant second place in its business plan. I look forward to the day when a Mac-centric company takes Intuit on and claims the loyalty of the most loyal computer users in the world. Intuit will not see an upgrade penny from me until they go Universal.
Click to view MacTel's profile Enthusiast 1,030 posts since
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9. Aug 1, 2006 11:53 PM in response to: pairof9s
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As for Quicken 2007, I see no reason why Intuit failed to develop a UB version. If they can do it for QuickBooks then surely they can do it for subset program like Quicken.


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I don't know where I read it but I believe the calc engine in QuickBooks is used for Quicken. That would help to explain the non-UB release. Though I'd ask why is there a need to release before the UB version. It is a great scheme to get people to upgrade and many user are still on the PowerPC Macs.
Click to view uchuugaka's profile Member 438 posts since
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10. Aug 2, 2006 12:52 AM in response to: MacTel
Re: Editors' Notes Weblog: Quicken 2007 lacks Univ
yeah, but an engine like that inside a prog is usually the easiest part to port.
endian issues are hardly issues, that's all about search and replace or running scripts to track down any needed changes.

but I would agree that if this app runs fine, and it should, I mean, you don't do much more with it, than with excel, then this shouldn't be a big deal.
the reporting could have gone like this:
not UB, but still works fine. You can't even tell it's not UB. (if this is the case)

I understand, I'm not a fan of the last version. Tried the preinstalled trial version, stunk like poo.
but sometimes I wonder how much the journalism standards might slide toward something like the ilk over at c|net
Click to view Spark's profile Member 227 posts since
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11. Aug 2, 2006 1:19 AM in response to: uchuugaka
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but I would agree that if this app runs fine, and it should, I mean, you don't do much more with it, than with excel, then this shouldn't be a big deal

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Come on... if this was the next release of MS Office there would HOWLS! MS would rightly be pilloried as once again snubbing Mac users. Intuit is not some shareware developer working for french fry money. This is the SECOND release since the Intel announcement. Sorry... no excuses and no forgiveness.
Click to view MacGeek1955's profile Member 278 posts since
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12. Aug 2, 2006 2:44 AM in response to: Spark
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I wondered the same thing about Al Gore

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This is pure speculation and very farfetched to boot. Right now since his movie, Al Gore is pretty popular. In fact if they had primaries today, he might get the democratic nomination. People are currently really angry with the republicans. Lets say Al Gore managed to win the next presidential election. Would Apple get sweetheart government contracts like Haliburton? Would the government suddenly start replacing all their Windows PCs and some of their Unix machines with Macs? Would Apple do like the oil companies and become wealthy beyond the dreams of averice? Would Steve Jobs run America like Cheney and Rumsfield? Hmmm! Steve Jobs, Vice President, CEO of Apple and largest stockholder in Disney. Of course he would have to resign as CEO of Apple, but Apple could benefit greatly. Do you think people would complain? I doubt we would start another war, unless we attacked Finland or France for screwing with iTunes. You mess with our DRM and we send you ICBM.

Oh well, enough fantasy. I'm going to go watch old Star Trek movies and maybe Dune!
Click to view macvault's profile New Member 61 posts since
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13. Aug 2, 2006 7:47 AM in response to: Macworld.com
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Yea, the lack of universal binary is just inexcusable, as is the lack of any modern features and a nice smooth users interface - both of which are found in the Windows version of Quicken. The Mac and Windows versions are like night and day! I remember when version 2005 or 2006 came out for the Mac and the most advertised feature was the ability to put pictures of your furniture/assets into your Quicken database. HA, what a joke!!!

Since Intuit has made it clear that they don't care about the Mac platform, I hope they pull the plug on it and hopefully Apple would make a real PFM for us Mac users. The problem might be though that all the financial institutions are set up for either Quicken or MS Money when it comes to online access. I don't understand why this functionality (integration with the financial institutions) is not an open standard and therefore requires the banks to pay Intuit $10,000 per year to allow for "Direct Connect" access. Beleive it or not Microsoft's direct connect feature has been free for institutions but I heard they too will soon be charging for this functionality.

I encourage everyone to email your feelings to the Intuit execs... scott_cook@intuit.com, Bill_Campbell@intuit.com, Steve_Bennett@intuit.com I emailed them and got a personal reply from Intuit CEO Steve Bennet saying, "We are taking a hard look at what to do with Quicken for Mac".
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14. Aug 2, 2006 9:09 AM in response to: macvault
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I don't understand why this functionality (integration with the financial institutions) is not an open standard and therefore requires the banks to pay Intuit $10,000 per year to allow for "Direct Connect" access.


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What I find even more inexcusable is that the Mac version doesn't simply work transparently with the same data import formats that the PC version does. There is no technical reason for it. It makes no sense that my co-workers can download their entire portfolios with one click on Windows, while I have to download and import files for each account manually- assuming the financial institution supports the Mac at all.

My guess is Intuit is charging the financial institutions extra money for the Mac hookup and most of them aren't paying it.

Despite other flaws I would buy Quicken instantly if the download features had parity with the Windows version. I refuse to buy it until then. The new 401k management feature sounded like a baby step in the right direction, until I realized that it just indicates that they aren't planning on fixing the root problem.