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Click to view MW Forums's profile New Member 12,220 posts since
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Aug 30, 2006 12:50 PM

Quicken Mac 2007

Shortcomings aside, Quicken Mac 2007 provides a financial management package that performs well, lives up to the reputation established with previous versions, and provides detailed reports. more
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Click to view dannross's profile New Member 2 posts since
Oct 3, 2005
1. Aug 30, 2006 4:18 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Quicken Mac 2007
Called tech support for Intuit's other program - Quickbooks. Talk about hard sell for the Windows version. One tech rep went so far as to say that he doubted that the company would continue to support the Mac in the future! Wonder what the politics are? Can't imagine that four different tech reps would all do the windows hard sell.
Click to view kongjie's profile New Member 46 posts since
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2. Aug 30, 2006 4:27 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Quicken Mac 2007
Quicken does what I need it to do, which is fairly simple. Keep track of my credit cards and my bank account. It's a lot more than I need.

But this constant updating is a little out of control, considering that after a couple updates they start to implement features that earlier versions don't support. In other words, they try to force you to update, and it's not cheap, either. This latest update takes the cake--anyone who releases a major software update at this point in time better make sure it has Universal Binary support for the Intel-based Macs. What a joke! And I'm sure that when Quicken DOES run native on Intel-based Macs, it's not going to be a free upgrade--it's going to be quicken 2008.

Speaking of which--if you release it in 2006, please don't call it 2007. Software dates quickly and you can't change that by calling it Quicken 3015.
Click to view macvault's profile New Member 61 posts since
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3. Aug 30, 2006 4:31 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Quicken Mac 2007
Oh man, don't even get me started. Another review of Quicken for Mac. Here's my review: It's one total piece of censored. I emailed Intuit's CEO and he replied personally saying they are "taking a hard look at what to do with the future of the Quicken for Mac product". They don't care one bit about the Mac platform. Their support and their product is a total disgrace! Apple should force Bill Campbell to step down from Apple's board, unless of course Intuit really has a change of heart and seriously changes their ways.
Click to view bastion's profile Enthusiast 1,411 posts since
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4. Aug 30, 2006 4:43 PM in response to: kongjie
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This latest update takes the cake--anyone who releases a major software update at this point in time better make sure it has Universal Binary support for the Intel-based Macs.

Why? That's a serious question. The code in a UB is roughly double the size of that in a single-platform binary, and Quicken's code:resource ratio is relatively high. Quicken as a process is certainly nothing resembling compute-bound. So what's the benefit to Quicken users to justify the larger disk footprint which then provides the justification for Intuit to put resources into the non-trivial tasks of creating and testing a UB build? (Keep in mind while answering that noone in this forum is likely to have a realistic idea of what the PPC:x86 ratio of Mac Quicken users is. That also should be a factor in Intuit's prioritization of the effort.)
Click to view bayoubengal's profile New Member 41 posts since
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5. Aug 30, 2006 5:09 PM in response to: bastion
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I'd be more worried about the OS9-ish UI and the bugs in the product. It sometimes mysteriously drops downloaded transactions and I have to manually compare the register to my bank account log to see what transactions have to be manually entered....a big pain. I also have issues copy and pasting text into the register.

I'm not inclined to upgrade unless the product is brought into the 21st century and the annoying bugs are fixed.

I have been looking at other apps but none of them offer the ability to directly download my transactions from my bank...and I want that.

to the guy complaining about UB support increasing file sizes....

if the few extra MB used for larger executables bothers you, you can use a command line tool called 'lipo' to extract the PPC binary from the file and then dump the UB file.

If intuit is debating making Quicken UB, I can assure you that executable file size isn't an issue in the debate. The project is likely a carbon app heavily tied to Codewarrior and significant effort is required to move it over to xcode. They have to decide if they want to pay an engineer to spend a few months getting the thing to work with xcode.


-James
Click to view boulder1259's profile New Member 6 posts since
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6. Aug 30, 2006 5:27 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Quicken Mac 2007
Quicken has one of the most unstable databases that I've ever used. The file corrupts itself a couple times a year, not exactly what you want when keeping financial records. What makes it worse is the arrogance of Intuit's support staff. Although the database corruption problems are clearly theirs (how often does Mac OS X crash these days?), they continue to try to blame Apple.
Click to view myramoki's profile New Member 18 posts since
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7. Aug 30, 2006 5:27 PM in response to: bayoubengal
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I started with Quicken on Windows years and years ago when I had a PC. I then got a Mac and switched over to Quicken on Mac. And I kept shelling out money for 'upgrades' that hardly added any features. Recently they've been offering Mac OS X features, like iCal support, or Dashboard Widget. Big censored big time whoop! I can't download information from my financial institutions (while the Windows version can) and I should be happy that I can use a widget to enter my data??? Isn't that kinda like giving me a 12 year old blind dog and then expecting me to be happy because I have a pet now?

The PC version of their app is so much better that I bit the bullet and have been running Quicken via VirtualPC for a couple years now. Sure, its very pokey (on my dual G5), but at least I gained all kinds of features with it that I didn't have with the Mac version, and now that I've got an Intel box running Parallels Desktop, there is just no going back.

If Intuit someday makes a version for the Mac with feature parity to the Windows version, and I can just copy my data file over to the Mac and not lose any information, I'll gladly go back.

I would have switched to Money, as at least Microsoft has made no hint at offering a poor second cousin on the Mac as a token to Mac users, but doing a data conversion of my Quicken data didn't work so well.

-d
Click to view Adwiz's profile Member 237 posts since
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8. Aug 30, 2006 5:41 PM in response to: myramoki
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Quicken Mac is a frustrating mess compared to the PC version. You wonder why they keep the two so far apart in capabilities when it could be so easy to make them virtually identical.

And consider how archaic some aspects of Quicken are, even after all these years. For example, where is the support for post-dated checks, something that should have been in the application a decade ago.
Click to view dalerb's profile New Member 17 posts since
Mar 16, 2006
9. Aug 30, 2006 6:02 PM in response to: MW Forums
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While the widget for Quicken data entry is nice, in typical Intuit fashion they botched the implementation: You can create as many widgets as you like so that you can enter transactions into different accounts. However, the widgets forget which account they are associated with whenever the Mac is re-started. The result being that you end up with a set of uninitialized widgets, requiring you to repeat the task of choosing which accounts you want access to all over again.
Click to view bayoubengal's profile New Member 41 posts since
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10. Aug 30, 2006 6:12 PM in response to: Adwiz
Re: Quicken Mac 2007
for those who might be interested in an opensource replacement for Quicken:

http://www.gnucash.org/
Click to view pr43's profile New Member 2 posts since
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11. Aug 30, 2006 6:33 PM in response to: dalerb
Re: Quicken Mac 2007
Intuit has long treated the Mac version of Quicken as an orphan. The product only recently (2006?) supported 401(k) accounts, which is unbelievable! Although I agree the lack of universal binary support at this time appears to be an abject failure of the product management role within Quicken, I am not terribly bothered as the product will run fine with rosetta.

What is more absurd is the longstanding file incompatibility with the Windows product. With the growth in unit sales by Apple, this has to frustrate a lot of users migrating from Win to Mac. Check out the Quicken support and it will confirm data will be lost in the migration. My data file is nearly 16MB and growing. To avoid the aggravation of manually migrating the data on enduring data loss, I am using the penalty box known as Virtual PC -- dog slow on a dual-G5 PowerMac -- but at least it works.

Once OS X 10.5 ships in 2007, I will contemplate an upgrade to the Intel-based Mac and use Parallels to recover application performance without data file issues. Thanks to Intuit's shortsightedness in developing the Quicken-Mac product, I can solve their errors by merely spending lots of my money.

As for the complaints about lack of feature growth from prior version, well what more do you want or need? I have used the same version (Quicken/Win 2003) for almost three years. I upgraded to 2006 only when the product was EOL'd and I could no longer automatically update my portfolios. I have never been a proponent of feature creep in the product. The Basic version has worked fine for me and I actually prefer the stable UI (no need to learn or uncover changes to menus and features sets -- even if it is the Windows version running in Virtual PC).
Click to view Steve_S's profile Enthusiast 1,388 posts since
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12. Aug 30, 2006 8:53 PM in response to: bastion
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Quicken as a process is certainly nothing resembling compute-bound. So what's the benefit to Quicken users to justify the larger disk footprint which then provides the justification for Intuit to put resources into the non-trivial tasks of creating and testing a UB build?

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Are you serious? While I might agree that Quicken isn't as CPU bound as something like Photoshop, it still can be sluggish on a dual G4 system when saving files (large transactions registers). Further, the Universal binary footprint is nothing compared to the overhead that Rosetta seems to impose. Besides all of that, just out of principle, all new applications should be Universal binaries by now. I don't want to have to use Rosetta for any program. It should be a stop gap measure for older programs that have not yet been updated since the switch to Intel. At this stage in the game, Apple's entire platform is now on Intel, yet Intuit is releasing PowerPC based products. Doesn't this seem wrong to you? People that buy newer hardware tend to buy newer software, generally more so than those with older hardware. Intuit should not be ignoring the Intel based Mac community.

Steve
Click to view anothersite's profile New Member 52 posts since
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13. Aug 30, 2006 9:14 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Quicken Mac 2007
Four mice despite the specific version 2007 cons and the general Intuit issues regarding the Macintosh platform? Huh.

Anyway, a few years back I stopped using the semi-orphaned Quicken for Mac. I use Moneydance, which is a Java program, that is file compatible across Windows, Macintosh and Linux platforms. I like it.

http://www.moneydance.com/
Click to view visiondancer's profile New Member 4 posts since
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14. Aug 30, 2006 9:15 PM in response to: Steve_S
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Since Quicken for Mac has been such a dissapointment for many, why not review some of the other applications from active smaller-developers. Sure they may not have all the features of Quicken yet, but I am curious to know how applications like iBank and Liquid Ledger (just two that I know of) stack up against the aged beast that is Quicken for Mac.

A side-by-side review and comparison of these applications should spurn all the developers involved into creating better products, and help readers pick from a couple of choices. It is inportant to recognize the efforts of the small developers who are putting out high-quality products. Especially in areas where larger developers have all but given up.
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