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Sep 18, 2006 2:00 PM

Editors' Notes Weblog: Apple looks ahead with iTV

Apple isn't usually too chatty about products that haven't been released yet. So why has it told us so much about the yet-to-be-named-even product code-named iTV? more
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Click to view doglesby's profile Member 482 posts since
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1. Sep 18, 2006 5:15 PM in response to: Macworld.com
They announced it to sell movies!
It's really very simple. Apple wants people to pony up 10 to 15 dollars for videos. This isn't like asking for 1 or 2 dollars for music or TV shows. If people are going to buy them, they need to know that an option will be available soon for watching them on TV. If Apple is to entice other studios to join in they need to be able to say, "look, we sold x million movies in x months!"

Regulatory approval? Like they don't need regulatory approval on everything (notably Airport) that hasn't been pre-announced.

My big question is, if this is to use 802.11n (some rumors suggest this is why it isn't available yet), how much to add 802.11n to my computer? Probably add another $100 to the price tag.
Click to view Swift2001's profile New Member 82 posts since
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2. Sep 18, 2006 5:17 PM in response to: Macworld.com
Re: Editors' Notes Weblog: Apple looks ahead with iTV
I think you left out one consideration: preempting the Zune/Microsoft.

I suspect that the other shoe will drop shortly before or after the Zune makes its way to market: a big-screen iPod, maybe even with a phone and camera, as well as the iTV. Seriously, the Zune looks okay, they have every opportunity to make it work, and the wireless "send me a song" bit looks like a winner with teens. Maybe Steve was holding off on the big cannon until they peek their heads out of the tent. Then, Boom! iPod phone! iTV with streaming Google/Apple video! Big screen, 3-D feelovision! (Oh, maybe not that.)

On a more sober note, I finally hooked up my iPod and played a movie into my early 2001 Sony 27" TV -- nice, but not HD -- and the picture was really better than I expected. I had started with an ABC preview, thinking that would be using the new encoding. It wasn't. But the 640 x 480 movie looked, honest-to-God, near-DVD in quality.
Click to view doglesby's profile Member 482 posts since
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3. Sep 18, 2006 5:31 PM in response to: Macworld.com
"Whatever kind of set-up"--hah!
Most TV's I've had the joy of hooking up have composite video, maybe S-video, but not component video. Seems like a lot of people might be left out of the iTV game.

There are any number of reasons they might not be shipping, but why can't they come up with a name? They've released the MacBook Pro (and even worse, the Mac Pro), so it's not like their standards are so high when it comes to names.
Click to view MacTel's profile Enthusiast 1,030 posts since
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4. Sep 18, 2006 5:49 PM in response to: Macworld.com
Re: Editors' Notes Weblog: Apple looks ahead with iTV
I believe Apple intends to have the TV manufacturers imbed this iTV into their products (i.e. the guts of iTV). That would lock Apple into the TV industry. It works with Macs and PCs so what would be the hold up? iTunes?
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5. Sep 18, 2006 5:55 PM in response to: Macworld.com
Re: Editors' Notes Weblog: Apple looks ahead with iTV
I think they announced it because Amazon stole much of their buzz by unexpectedly announcing their own movie service before hand. In order for the media to have something besides "this is another movie download service" to talk about, they wanted to introduce a movie service + upcoming product that lets you stream the movies to the TV and get their buzz back.

Just my guess.
Click to view dak's profile New Member 116 posts since
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6. Sep 18, 2006 5:59 PM in response to: doglesby
Re: "Whatever kind of set-up"--hah!
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Most TV's I've had the joy of hooking up have composite video, maybe S-video, but not component video. Seems like a lot of people might be left out of the iTV game.

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Yup... once again, Maccentral confuses component video and composite video. Component video isn't "for older sets", it's somewhat newfangled and definitely high-end. Composite video -- the single-wire RCA plug that goes into the "video input" of your TV or VCR -- that's the old school job.

So yeah, if this iTV thingy only has HDMI and component inputs, it's definitely leaving out everyone who doesn't have a new, fancy HD TV.

:d
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7. Sep 18, 2006 6:12 PM in response to: dak
Re: "Whatever kind of set-up"--hah!
Component video has existed for a decade or two, it isn't all that new or unusual for mid to higher end TVs and media systems. In other words it isn't only found on "fancy HD TVs".
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8. Sep 18, 2006 6:13 PM in response to: dak
Re: "Whatever kind of set-up"--hah!
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Component video isn't "for older sets", it's somewhat newfangled and definitely high-end. Composite video -- the single-wire RCA plug that goes into the "video input" of your TV or VCR -- that's the old school job.

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As someone who has a 4-year-old 55" Samsung HDTV set, I can tell you that component is definitely much older and broader supported than HDMI. It's not old school, but on HDTV sets, it's ubiquitous.

I'm sure they're smart enough to include composite video, either on the box or via a dongle (like came bundled with my PowerBook G4), since not including it would leave a lot of people out.
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9. Sep 18, 2006 6:15 PM in response to: Macworld.com
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Maybe Apple has to negotiate with broadband providers. Broadband in the home is frequently cable, which also drives our TV sets, over which we........pay for seeing movies. Does anyone else see the conflict here? Maybe that's why Apple's model is to sell movies, since my cable company at least doesn't sell movies, it only 'rents' them.
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10. Sep 18, 2006 6:26 PM in response to: dak
Re: "Whatever kind of set-up"--hah!
I have component video on my 13 inch Toshiba TV that I got on clearance at Best Buy for $99 three years ago. Also, you can pick up component to S-video converters pretty cheaply.

I hope Apple doesn't add a lot of retro ports to iTV, though I can see where S-video might have appeal. More ports = greater cost & potential problems.
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11. Sep 18, 2006 6:37 PM in response to: Machound
Size of iTV box
While seemingly trivial, I hope Apple will make the final product the size of other standard audio/video components (about 20", I think). It will look much better as part of a home theatre, and be stackable with other components.
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12. Sep 18, 2006 6:57 PM in response to: DogHouseDub
Blu Ray killer?
This gizmo, if it is HD, can be a great alternative to the HD DVD format wars. Of course, it will take awhile to download an HD movie, but it will still be faster than Netflix and cheaper than buying a piece of hardware that could be obsolete very soon.

Maybe next year really will be the "year of HD" that Steve talked about a few years ago?
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13. Sep 18, 2006 7:01 PM in response to: Machound
Re: "Whatever kind of set-up"--hah!
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I have component video on my 13 inch Toshiba TV that I got on clearance at Best Buy for $99 three years ago. Also, you can pick up component to S-video converters pretty cheaply.

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Sorry, no way.

Yes, I agree, component video has been around for awhile, but it is a high-end feature. I find it hard to believe that a $99 13" TV would have component video inputs. (You know what they look like, right? Three RCA jacks, labeled Y, Pb, Pr, or Y, Cb, Cr for digital. The jacks are also usually color coded Green, Blue and Red.)

Also, component to S-video converters are not cheap. I found one for $200.

I assume you, like MacCentral, are thinking of standard composite video. And yeah, composite to S-Video adapters are cheap and simple wire adapters. Component video doesn't convert simply to composite -- the signal needs to be rescanned and re-output.

:d
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14. Sep 18, 2006 7:23 PM in response to: dak
Re: "Whatever kind of set-up"--hah!
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Yup... once again, Maccentral confuses component video and composite video. Component video isn't "for older sets", it's somewhat newfangled and definitely high-end.

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I have to disagree with you there (and point out that Phil specifically noted that older sets may be out of luck). Component video has been around for a couple decades, and it's been easy to find even a midrange TV with the feature for several years. Heck, the non-widescreen, 20" CRT TV I bought a couple years ago has component-video inputs. Sure, it's a newer connection, and because it offers better video quality than composite and coaxial connections, it's "higher-end," but it's much more common than HDMI, which is basically limited to HDTVs.

That said, I do think it would be wise for Apple to include a composite-video output on the iTV for the millions of older TVs out there.


Dan Frakes | Senior Editor, Macworld