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8 Replies Last post: Dec 20, 2006 4:32 PM by Machound

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Dec 19, 2006 9:00 AM

Intensity card offers HDMI video editing

Blackmagic's new Intensity is an HDMI-based video editing card for video pros using High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI)-based video cameras and decks. more

nittany4

74 posts since
May 1, 2001

1. Dec 19, 2006 12:21 PM

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Re: Intensity card offers HDMI video editing

so, i'll be the fist to ask

can i plug my HDcable box into this with an HDMI cable and get hi def TV through my Apple Cinema DIsplay?

if yes, i'll order one now

speck2001

15 posts since
Jan 1, 2005

2. Dec 19, 2006 12:31 PM

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Re: Intensity card offers HDMI video editing

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so, i'll be the fist to ask

can i plug my HDcable box into this with an HDMI cable and get hi def TV through my Apple Cinema DIsplay?

if yes, i'll order one now

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Doubtful- consumer devices have HDCP copy protection, while cameras probably do not. It'll be like trying to dub DVDs or VHS through a VCR with Macrovision.

I noticed that the quoted "1080HD" is actually 1080i, not 1080p. I wonder how much that upgrade will cost.

jelockwood

17 posts since
Jun 1, 2005

3. Dec 19, 2006 1:47 PM

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Re: Intensity card offers HDMI video editing

Their website does say "Intensity features HDMI-in for connecting to cameras and digital set-top boxes for the highest quality capture" however like speck2001 I feel that the reality is that due to HDCP it will not be able to capture from cable or satellite set-top boxes.

elCapiton

162 posts since
Nov 20, 2004

4. Dec 19, 2006 2:11 PM

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Re: Intensity card offers HDMI video editing

Are you sure about that? I thought HDCP wasn't implemented yet. I'm sure my HDTV doesn't have it and neither does my sattelite box.

Machound

866 posts since
Jan 4, 2004

5. Dec 19, 2006 8:13 PM

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Doubtful- consumer devices have HDCP copy protection, while cameras probably do not. It'll be like trying to dub DVDs or VHS through a VCR with Macrovision.

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Beware! From what I've read in multiple sources, it's a far worse situation than Macrovision. One of the stipulations in the HDCP license (which license you agree to whenever you purchase a HDCP crippled device) is that any attempt to pass HDCP protected data that doesn't meet HDCP rules represents a license violation. Such violations are punished by immediate removal of the HDCP license from all attached HDCP devices. That means your plasma TV, HDCP compliant computer, BluRay player, and every other attached HDCP device will become uncertified in a millisecond. It's not clear how a HDTV owner could recertify their HDCP device, if that's even possible on an individual consumer level. According to the HDCP rules it involves paying a hefty sum of $ thousands to the HDCP Consortium to obtain a new license.

This stuff is really bad news for end users. I would be extremely wary of using any HDMI editing equipment if there's a possibility of HDCP being in the data stream. Home videos aren't the issue here. But what about HDCP protected HD-DVDs / BluRay discs that get ripped with Blackmagic's board, or one like it, one and placed on the web for unwary surfers to download? What if your kids accidentally clicked on such a link? Could those files possibly de-license your your entire HDMI/HDCP A-V system? What recourse do buyers have when their expensive video equipment loses its HDCP license through no fault other than an accidental download?

These are really troubling aspects of HDCP. Buyers please beware.

JakeT

343 posts since
Sep 8, 2004

6. Dec 19, 2006 8:29 PM

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Re: Intensity card offers HDMI video editing

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so, i'll be the fist to ask

can i plug my HDcable box into this with an HDMI cable and get hi def TV through my Apple Cinema DIsplay?

if yes, i'll order one now

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From their tech specs, not if it's copy protected. Here is a quote from their website:

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The HDMI standard can include copy protected encryption, such as DVD players. The Intensity card therefore will NOT capture from copy protected HDMI sources. Always confirm copyright ownership before capture or distribution of content. Intensity media file formats are fully compatible with DeckLink and Multibridge capture cards.

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So, probably some shows and not others, which is what I get with the firewire from the STB. I prefer to capture from firewire, since it's the compressed signal from the station.

marco114

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Aug 30, 2004

7. Dec 19, 2006 10:44 PM

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So, probably some shows and not others, which is what I get with the firewire from the STB. I prefer to capture from firewire, since it's the compressed signal from the station.

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can you explain what you use to do this? i have a Scientific Atlanta HD DVR from Time Warner Cable in North Carolina. The firewire port is on the back. What software do you use to capture? The port must be enabled by law. and I know the copy protection isn't enabled.

Machound

866 posts since
Jan 4, 2004

8. Dec 20, 2006 4:32 PM

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Re: Intensity card offers HDMI video editing

You can capture digital TV over Firewire (i.Link) using Apple's free Firewire SDK. You'll need XTools installed first. That's located on one of your original Apple installer CDs, or you can download the latest XTools from the above link. There's a very long thread on the subject in the Mac Forums at AVS -- sorry I can't link to it directly from this PC.

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