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14 Replies Last post: Jan 15, 2007 1:16 PM by d00d  
Click to view MW Forums's profile New Member 12,220 posts since
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Jan 9, 2007 12:40 PM

Apple enables 802.11n on newer Macs

Apple on Tuesday quietly revealed a new AirPort Extreme base station that supports a draft specification of IEEE 802.11n, a faster wireless networking standard that works up to five times faster than 802.11g and at up to twice the range. more
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Click to view kwill's profile Member 364 posts since
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1. Jan 9, 2007 3:45 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple enables 802.11n on newer Macs
So how fast is 802.11n? (AirPort G1=10Mb; AirPort G2=54Mb)
Click to view George76's profile Member 168 posts since
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2. Jan 9, 2007 3:52 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple enables 802.11n on newer Macs
So is Apple going to make this "enabling software" available to the general populace are you going to be required to buy an AppleTV or Airport Extreme Base Station to acquire it?
Click to view MacTel's profile Enthusiast 1,029 posts since
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3. Jan 9, 2007 3:58 PM in response to: kwill
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So how fast is 802.11n? (AirPort G1=10Mb; AirPort G2=54Mb)


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Between 300mbps and 600mbps but over a longer distance.
Click to view flybynight's profile Member 515 posts since
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4. Jan 9, 2007 4:26 PM in response to: George76
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My guess would be that until the 802.11n "draft" becomes final, you are only going to be able to get it with Apple's devices. But, that's just a guess.
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5. Jan 9, 2007 5:14 PM in response to: MW Forums
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Apple on Tuesday quietly revealed a new AirPort Extreme base station that supports a draft specification of IEEE 802.11n, a faster wireless networking standard that works up to five times faster than 802.11g and at up to twice the range. <a href="/news/2007/01/09/80211n/index.php">more</a>


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Wow! Can I get a card for my regular Core [1] Duo MacBook Pro, or is all on the main board?
Click to view Wondercow's profile Member 309 posts since
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6. Jan 9, 2007 5:18 PM in response to: MW Forums
Misleading headline
The headline should read that Apple will allow 802.11n on newer Macs. Because, as the article clearly sates, apple has not enabled 802.11n on newer Macs.
Click to view kwill's profile Member 364 posts since
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7. Jan 9, 2007 7:07 PM in response to: MacTel
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So how fast is 802.11n? (AirPort G1=10Mb; AirPort G2=54Mb)

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Between 300mbps and 600mbps but over a longer distance.


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Thanks. Probably closer to 300Mb since Apple says up to 5x faster (than what?).
Click to view VidPro's profile Member 312 posts since
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8. Jan 9, 2007 8:57 PM in response to: kwill
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So how fast is 802.11n? (AirPort G1=10Mb; AirPort G2=54Mb)
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Probably closer to 300Mb since Apple says up to 5x faster (than what?).

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According to Apple's website, based on a comparison with Apples 802.11g products, so it depends on whether Apple follows the original 54 Mb/sec standard, or the newer 104 Mb/sec version, so 5X a "g" standard is either about 250 Mb/sec or 500 Mb/sec (or inbetween).
Click to view CreativeOne's profile New Member 20 posts since
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9. Jan 10, 2007 6:43 AM in response to: MW Forums
Other Vendors
Wow - I hope the wording on this just needs to be cleared up. Every wireless router/access point vendor has had 802.11n gateways available since the end of last year. (IE: Linksys, Netgear, DLink, etc.). For them to only offer an update with their product ... This is more of Apple showing their true colors. This is almost asking for a lawsuit. Maybe they can do it because of the draft specification, and the only way they can make sure it is compatible with 802.11n is to use an Airport Base station. BULL CRAP
Click to view iSunfish's profile New Member 80 posts since
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10. Jan 10, 2007 10:03 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple enables 802.11n on newer Macs
Also interesting to note is this, from Apple's website:
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Speed and range will be less if an 802.11a/b/g product joins the network.

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So if any slower device joins the network, it will automatically ratchet back to the lowest common speed denominator. How does one check on the speed a wireless (or wired, for that matter) network is operating at?
Click to view MacCheetah3's profile Old Hand 6,627 posts since
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11. Jan 10, 2007 10:43 PM in response to: CreativeOne
Re: Other Vendors
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Apple was the first to adopt both 802.11b and 802.11g and it worked out fine. With this draft standard, no company guarantees 802.11n compatibility with other vendors just yet. The positive being is that no hardware changes will likely happen when n is finalized and most companies will do a couple firmware updates to make things much smoother.


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Click to view Dan Frakes's profile Macworld Editorial 3,235 posts since
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12. Jan 14, 2007 8:51 PM in response to: iSunfish
Re: Apple enables 802.11n on newer Macs
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Also interesting to note is this, from Apple's website:
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Speed and range will be less if an 802.11a/b/g product joins the network.

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So if any slower device joins the network, it will automatically ratchet back to the lowest common speed denominator.

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No, that's not quite what it means. Just as an 802.11a/g network is slower than an 802.11g-only one, an n network is slower if it has to accommodate a and/or g devices, but in neither case does the network sink to the "slowest" protocol. Devices using the faster protocol will perform a bit slower than if they were on a network dedicated to that protocol, but performance for those devices won't be as slow as the slower protocol. Does that make sense?


Dan Frakes | Senior Editor, Macworld
Click to view kerby74's profile Member 379 posts since
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13. Jan 15, 2007 1:10 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple enables 802.11n on newer Macs
Can anyone answer this... Why if the airport extreme card that is currently in our Mac is the same one in the ones coming out and the change is just a software update that comes on a disk with the new base station are PowerPC Mac's screwed out of the n technology? Is there something in the PowerPC architecture that even with the same extreme card installed does not work with n? Are they just trying to force upgrades and kill off PowerPC support?
I want a new n router and am planning to get an Intel Mac soon but want ALL of my airport extreme Mac's to get the advantage from the new router.
Click to view d00d's profile Macworld Editorial 12,136 posts since
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14. Jan 15, 2007 1:16 PM in response to: kerby74
Re: Apple enables 802.11n on newer Macs
This isn't an evil Apple conspiracy to kill off PowerPC Macs. You will have to look to third parties for cards that will give PowerPC Macs 802.11n though.