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Click to view uchuugaka's profile Member 438 posts since
Apr 12, 2005
15. Jan 19, 2007 4:19 AM in response to: Mav
Re: Up close with AirPort Extreme
@Frakes,

True, DSL and Cable modems can't saturate a 10/100 Ethernet port in most of the US now.
But one of Apple's biggest markets is Japan, and here in Japan, Cable and ADSL have higher speeds, not to mention that Fiber to the home is very affordable here (about what many US markets pay for cable modem connections)

Ultimately, gigabit is the way to go for future proofing anyway.
Click to view dansterpower's profile New Member 90 posts since
May 26, 2005
16. Jan 19, 2007 4:19 AM in response to: Mav
Re: Up close with AirPort Extreme
One Word:

Gigabit.

It should have 3 Gigabite Ports and not 10/100 base.

Big Mistake Apple.
Click to view Mishenka's profile New Member 25 posts since
May 9, 2002
17. Jan 19, 2007 5:05 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Up close with AirPort Extreme
What about using it with Windows? Will Apple be providing the configuration software for Windows at the same time?

Michael
Click to view tomtom's profile Member 886 posts since
Jan 6, 2006
18. Jan 19, 2007 5:10 AM in response to: Dan Frakes
Re: So does iTunes work w/ USB drive?
Seems to b a great location for Eye TV recordings, particularly since a USB hub can be used which helps provide the huge smount of disc space these take up.
Click to view tomtom's profile Member 886 posts since
Jan 6, 2006
19. Jan 19, 2007 5:14 AM in response to: dansterpower
Re: Up close with AirPort Extreme
Use wires
Click to view coutcalt's profile New Member 2 posts since
Jan 19, 2007
20. Jan 19, 2007 6:21 AM in response to: tomtom
My Make-or-Break Question
For me, there's one critical question: Will I get the extended range to an 802.11g iMac? I am trying to use my current Base Station (an 802.11g white model) to bring my signal to my Intel iMac (not the Core 2 Duo). Even with a Dr. Bott antenna, signal strength is iffy.

Will the new Base Station's extended range affect non-802.11n receivers?
Click to view AdrianB's profile New Member 1 posts since
Sep 15, 2004
21. Jan 19, 2007 7:17 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Up close with AirPort Extreme
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However, it appears that the current draft specification is very likely to be the final versionor close enough that a software or firmware update should be able to bring the device into spec.

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Is that really so? When AnandTech reviewed the current draft products in september they came to this conclusion (emphasis mine):

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If you require added range along with consistent throughput performance, consider the NETGEAR RangeMax 240 series of product or others featuring the third generation Airgo chipset. Although eventually this is a dead end solution, we believe the same is true of the current Draft N products as well. Even though we have not finished our testing, we have to strongly recommend that users wait if possible until 802.11n is ratified and approved.

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Have Apple guaranteed the ability to a later software upgrade to the final 11n standard?
Click to view Trekkie's profile New Member 5 posts since
Feb 11, 2005
22. Jan 19, 2007 8:43 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Up close with AirPort Extreme
What about a performance test of the actual routing functions? I had an Airport Extreme and when using it I got 768KB/s, when plugged into the wire or using the wireless port.

However when I pluged into a cablemodem directly with my iBook I'd get 8MB/s.

The performance of the router itself is an important feature to test. Or is this just a 'read the specs and write a review' kind of article?
Click to view MGP's profile New Member 50 posts since
Dec 22, 2006
23. Jan 19, 2007 8:44 AM in response to: coolfactor
Re: What 3rd party cards are compatible with this?
But not at 802.11 n speeds. That's what I am after.
Click to view icerabbit's profile Enthusiast 1,021 posts since
Mar 28, 2002
24. Jan 19, 2007 8:52 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Up close with AirPort Extreme
Thank you for voicing the lack of gigabit ports.

I would love to pick up a couple of these to replace 3 Linksys boxes and support Apple, but the lack of gigabit is a real dealbraker. Gigabit ethernet has been standard on macs for a while and with 5 systems with gigabit ethernet (+ another one in the wings) there is no way you can settle for fast ethernet.
Once you go gigabit, there is just no way back. It is very sad to see Apple's only network box so crippled. Apple should pave the way forward, suppor their own gigabit standard machines. IF cost is such an issue to put gigabit ports in it and sell it at the current price point (which I honestly doubt, gigabit hardware can be found inexpensively nowadays) ... bring out a gigabit edition. Satisfy the family with average hardware with the economo model. Charge $50 more for a gigabit 5 port edition

I also give a big thumbs down to Apple for charging for the wireless driver update. The draft-n drivers should've been pre-installed on the machine to begin with and just updated though auto-update. It's not a huge deal, $2, but since the hardware can do it and people pay a nice price for their macs it should be free. Charging for drivers is not a nice precedent.


PM G5 DP 2.5 - G4 Cube - G3 iMac - iPod 4G & 5.5G
Click to view MGP's profile New Member 50 posts since
Dec 22, 2006
25. Jan 19, 2007 8:52 AM in response to: highplnsdrifter
Re: What 3rd party cards are compatible with this?
It is unclear from the marketing stuff if this is Mac compatible, or even compatible with the narrow ExpressCard/34 slot that the MacBook Pro's have.

This should do the trick for you and for my Powerbook G4 which has always done poorly with the built in card:
http://www.belkin.com/pressroom/releases/uploads/01_08_07N1expressCard.html
It was announced at Macworld Expo.
Click to view Steve_S's profile Enthusiast 1,054 posts since
Sep 9, 2004
26. Jan 19, 2007 9:19 AM in response to: dansterpower
Re: Up close with AirPort Extreme
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One Word:

Gigabit.

It should have 3 Gigabite Ports and not 10/100 base.

Big Mistake Apple.

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Absolutely. This was a really bad decision and it just doesn't make sense when you consider most of Apple's lineup comes with Gigabit ethernet. I really wanted to buy this product, but I just can't due to this deficiency. Maybe in another 3 years, they'll update this product and get it right. They need to add a 4th ethernet port while they're at it.

Steve
Click to view tallscot's profile Old Hand 1,690 posts since
Jan 31, 2001
27. Jan 19, 2007 9:57 AM in response to: MW Forums
802.11n Scam?
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And for the most part, thats a fair statementthe lack of Gigabit Ethernet will likely affect only those users who have two or more Gigabit-Ethernet-equipped Macs connected directly to the AirPort Extremes Ethernet ports and who use that connection to transfer large amounts of data between those wired Macs. The limitation wont affect wireless data transfers, or even transfers between wired and wireless devicesalthough 802.11n can theoretically saturate a 100BASE-T connection, when you take into account network overhead, radio interference, and other factors, its unlikely youll see faster-than-100BASE-T speeds over wireless.

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If 802.11n is unable to go beyond 100 Mbps, why are there so many 802.11n routers that advertise 200-300 Mbps speeds? Are they lying?

Wikipedia states 802.11n peaks at 540 Mbps.

So how come Apple is saying 802.11n is lower than 100 Mbps?

Every single Mac comes with gigabit, for years and years. It makes no sense to sell a router that doesn't have gigabit. Come on, if a Mac mini has gigabit, why on Earth would you not put it in your router?
Click to view Edgejr's profile New Member 32 posts since
Mar 11, 2004
28. Jan 19, 2007 10:36 AM in response to: highplnsdrifter
Re: What 3rd party cards are compatible with this?
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This should do the trick for you and for my Powerbook G4 which has always done poorly with the built in card:
http://www.belkin.com/pressroom/releases/uploads/01_08_07N1expressCard.html
It was announced at Macworld Expo.

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That's great, but what I really want is an 'n' card that replaces my existing internal Airport Extreme card in my 17" PowerBook G4 so that I don't fill up the external slot. Now that would be great!
Click to view RASTERMAN's profile Member 204 posts since
Mar 28, 2001
29. Jan 19, 2007 11:12 AM in response to: Trekkie
Re: Up close with AirPort Extreme
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What about a performance test of the actual routing functions? I had an Airport Extreme and when using it I got 768KB/s, when plugged into the wire or using the wireless port.

However when I pluged into a cablemodem directly with my iBook I'd get 8MB/s.

The performance of the router itself is an important feature to test. Or is this just a 'read the specs and write a review' kind of article?

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The obvious answer is yes, it is a 'read the specs and write a review' kind of article. Maybe calling it a preview is the more accurate description for the article, since the product has not been released.

If you read the entire article, you will see that Dan addresses this...

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Unfortunately, like the other products Apple announced last week, the new AirPort Extreme Base Station isnt immediately available; Apple says it will begin to ship in February, although our order, placed the day of the announcement, has a delivery estimate of March 6. Well be sure to fill you in on its performance and functionality when the AirPort Extreme Base Station arrives.

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Cheers!

---RASTER