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14 Replies Last post: Feb 15, 2007 3:34 PM by Peter Cohen  
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Feb 14, 2007 10:50 AM

New hack simplifies high-definition video copying

A hacker claims to have found a way to make copying Blu-ray and HD DVD movies easier. more
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1. Feb 14, 2007 2:03 PM in response to: MW Forums
#1 Method of Stopping Piracy
Sell your product for a low price and make it "not worth it" for pirates to bother.
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2. Feb 14, 2007 2:27 PM in response to: MW Forums
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I went over Doom9 a few nights ago becuase I heard some buzz about this.
It's a nice read if you like to read technical stuff.

Even if you can't follow all the details of the way he figured this out, it's still fun to watch a hacker closing in on something big right in front of you. The thread at that site documents his success and frustrations.

His (encyclopedic) knowledge of the AACS documentation (curently available online and I stress the word 'currently') apparently gave him what he needed.

Even THIS isn't going to make me go out and buy a Blu Ray or HD-DVD movie or burner, though.
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3. Feb 14, 2007 2:42 PM in response to: MW Forums
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More evidence that Jobs is right about licensing FairPlay... if a key gets out there, there isn't much you could do if dozens of companies make compatible players.
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4. Feb 14, 2007 2:54 PM in response to: flexoffset
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Even THIS isn't going to make me go out and buy a Blu Ray or HD-DVD movie or burner, though.

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It doesn't motivate me at all, either to buy or not to buy. I plan to start buying them just so I have less regular DVDs to replace down the road.
Click to view Grapho's profile Enthusiast 1,378 posts since
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5. Feb 14, 2007 3:17 PM in response to: flybynight
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That was exactly my take when I read this article.
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6. Feb 14, 2007 3:30 PM in response to: MW Forums
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The real discouragement to pirates of these films is that they're 20 GB or so. That's an awful long time to download.
Click to view mdawson's profile Old Hand 3,018 posts since
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7. Feb 14, 2007 3:43 PM in response to: MW Forums
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I have mixed feelings on this issue. One the one hand, the movie industry has the right to pursue real pirates and bootleggersthat is, those individuals or groups that are profiting off of the sales of illegal copies of video content, but they do not have the right to usurp fair use and treat consumers as if they are criminals. For that reason I commend people like Arnezami for their efforts, even though such activities have been criminalized by our corporate purchased Congress. (By the way, the March 2007 issue of Playboy has an interesting forum article by four economic authors about how the US has become a corporatocracy. As the tagline for the article states, Why doesnt our goverment serve the People?)

Because our Congress has been bought off by corporations, including the movie and music industries, we have been denied our fair use right to make copies of movies and videos that we purchase legitmately. Macrovision and its DVD equivalent prevent law abiding consumers from making copies of videos they buy legally and in th dawning of using our home computers as media servers for our homes, this affront to copyright law is more insulting.
  • Are you a parent with children that will quickly wear out a video or damage a DVD from repeated viewings? Want to make backup copies for the children to abuse while you keep the original safely tucked away? Fk you! You a pirate trying to profit off of our content. How dare you even think of making a copy of a video. If you cannot control your kids then you need to do without or just keep buying copies until they tire of watching the program.

  • Want to take some movies on the road without risking losing or damaging your DVDs? Do you think that ripping a few movies onto your laptops hard drive would be the way to go? Fk you! You a pirate trying to profit off of our content. You just want to get movies onto your laptop so you can burn DVDs on-the-go and sell illegal copies of our content. Your laptop has a DVD drive, so there is no legitimate reason for you to rip the content to your hard drive.

  • Home computers are getting more powerful and you are thinking, Hey that huge 500 GB hard drive on my iMac can hold a few movies, right? You have tossed around the idea of using your homes wireless network to stream movies ripped from your DVDs and stored on your computer to your home theater set up. Its in your house, it should be a perfectly reasonable thing to do, right? NO! Fk you! You a pirate trying to profit off of our content. You can buy a DVD player and hook it up to your television. There is no reason to copy DVDs onto your computer unless you are trying to use your computer to illegal make copies of our content and sell it.
Sound harsh. Well this is what the movie and music industries think of the consumer and their actions clearly demonstrate this mentality. Fortunately, the music industry has been hard pressed to implement an audio version of Macrovision and push it on the audio retail market; at least in the US. With music downloads DRM is almost mandatory is a service does not wish to be served with a court order, but as others have stated, 90 percent of music is still purchased on old-fashioned tangible media.


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8. Feb 14, 2007 4:07 PM in response to: mdawson
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I have known that for quite some time. (About the Corporatocracy also known as Fascism). But I agree with you also an having mixed feelings about copy protection for movies. Producing a movie is not cheep. They are hundreds of people involved in every stage and even a modest movie budget can easily run in to the millions of dollars.
As to your point about having children, yes I have had to buy movies twice because you can not expect a 2 year old to handle a DVD correctly. And as you put it I did get f ked.
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9. Feb 14, 2007 4:10 PM in response to: Swift2001
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20 GB ?
How can that be so if your regular DVD dual layer can only hold 8 GB? I am no expert, but I think 20 GB is more like 4 movies.
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10. Feb 14, 2007 4:33 PM in response to: Grapho
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20 GB ?
How can that be so if your regular DVD dual layer can only hold 8 GB? I am no expert, but I think 20 GB is more like 4 movies.

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Blu Ray has high capacity. A disk image off a Blu Ray disk must be ginormous.

To address the fact that making movies isn't cheap. The movie industry created that monster. How many folks besides actors (and pro athletes) have a few 20 million dollar homes spread across the globe, a jet, fancy sports cars, etc?

I think they're doing just fine. I don't condone copying to re-sell but I certainly would like to have some safety copies of the movies I paid for.
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11. Feb 14, 2007 6:55 PM in response to: Grapho
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20 GB ? How can that be so if your regular DVD dual layer can only hold 8 GB? I am no expert, but I think 20 GB is more like 4 movies.

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Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are meant for HDTV videos These have a resolution up to 1080p which is even higher bandwidth than the current US HDTV broadcast standard. All of that high-resolution, high-frame rate video takes a lot of space. HD-DVD can hold up to 25 GB and Blu-Ray up to 50 GB. It is unlikely that any current production will use 50 GB for just the movie but extras in HD can also take up a lot of space.
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12. Feb 14, 2007 8:09 PM in response to: jdb8167
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HD-DVD can hold up to 25 GB and Blu-Ray up to 50 GB.

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Correction: A dual-layer HD DVD can hold up to 30GB.
Click to view Grapho's profile Enthusiast 1,378 posts since
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13. Feb 15, 2007 12:45 PM in response to: jdb8167
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Right, I lost focus of the story. It is about cracking HD disk DRM. Sorry. Yes 20 GB regardless of bandwidth would be a deterrent as far as I am concerned. I agree that making a copy for backup should be permitted.
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14. Feb 15, 2007 3:34 PM in response to: Grapho
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Yes 20 GB regardless of bandwidth would be a deterrent as far as I am concerned.

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That's what they used to say about the 650MB of a CD-ROM.