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Click to view MW Forums's profile New Member 12,220 posts since
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Mar 8, 2007 5:50 AM

Microsoft moves to replace JPEG with HD Photo

Microsoft will soon submit a new photo format to an international standards organization that it says offers higher quality images with better compression. more
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Click to view zwei's profile New Member 172 posts since
Feb 5, 2007
1. Mar 8, 2007 9:40 AM in response to: MW Forums
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PNG!
Click to view Winski's profile New Member 32 posts since
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2. Mar 8, 2007 9:45 AM in response to: MW Forums
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Beware any time Microsoft wants you to adopt their software as a standard...
Click to view davebarnes's profile New Member 147 posts since
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3. Mar 8, 2007 10:05 AM in response to: MW Forums
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I am not a photo expert.
But, what is wrong with JPEG2000?
That is, how is Micro$oft's technology better?
Click to view Rhywun's profile Member 431 posts since
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4. Mar 8, 2007 10:17 AM in response to: davebarnes
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But, what is wrong with JPEG2000?

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It's not controlled by Microsoft?

This sounds like WMA all over again. Microsoft will try to "default" the visual world to its own formats just like it tried with WMA and the audio world, and it will fail in the same way. Well, it will be a success to Microsoft by picking up some revenue along the way, but it will be failure in the eyes of the rest of the world by introducing more fracturing and confusion.
Click to view OM_user's profile Member 649 posts since
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5. Mar 8, 2007 10:41 AM in response to: MW Forums
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Will this be open source, or another "standard" controlled by Microsoft? If the latter, as I strongly suspect, then I say "no thanks!"

Although the prospect of smaller files sounds interesting, the ONLY way I would take this seriously is if Microsoft offered it as open source. With JPEG being so prevalent on the web, this seems like nothing but a shameless attempt by them to seize control over more of the internet standards. It's not enough that there are still thousands of sites out there that are designed to only work with MSIE- now this?
It doesn't seem they'll ever be happy until they control everything in the computing world, which fortunately for us all will never happen. There are too many smart people who are on to their tactics, so I hope this doesn't come to pass.
Click to view hiredgun469's profile New Member 53 posts since
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6. Mar 8, 2007 10:42 AM in response to: Rhywun
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I agree. Why does Gates have to have all his fingers in the pie? It irritates me when a company wants to make basically the same technology over again with a different name and requirements. Let's have some simple standards and be done with it already. And I like how he changes the name to the hip "HD" just so his own company name doesn't ruin his chances. Geek.
Click to view bastion's profile Enthusiast 1,121 posts since
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7. Mar 8, 2007 10:59 AM in response to: zwei
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PNG's great for flat shaded images. It's not as good as JPEG for photographic images.
Click to view mdawson's profile Old Hand 2,707 posts since
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8. Mar 8, 2007 10:59 AM in response to: MW Forums
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Any standard coming out of Redmond is designed to and can only benefit Microsoft. Microsoft is about control and nothing else. An image standard is best left free of any company, most of all Microsoft, and should be set up and ratified by an independent group such as the Joint Photography Expert Group.

We are seeing typical Microsoft and another example of how different that company is from Apple. Rhywun brings up WMA as an excellent example. Apple adopted an open standard, AAC, which is based on MPEG-4, as the default format for iTunes and the iPod. Anyone can get licensing for AAC completely independent of Apple. Microsoft created their own proprietary format based on their Windows Media incursi, um initiative. The naming of their media formats makes it abundantly clear what platforms and software will get to play in the WMx playground and who, if not at first but eventually, will be bullied if not outright ostracized in Microsofts schoolyard; recall that Microsofts marginal support of Windows Media Player for the Mac was quickly dropped leaving Mac users with no means to access the many Windows Media files that now populate the Web. (Yes, there are 3rd-party plug-ins, but the point is that Microsoft tried to cut Apple off at the knees as they have continuously done over the years.)

Much like Microsofts deliberately misnamed OpenXML format, Microsoft is doing nothing more than attempting to further entrench themselves so deeply that they will be positioned to remove any other players from every aspect of computing technology. I find it ironic that Gates is so adamant about the state of the US in terms of technology when he and his his companys practices have played a large, if not the largest, part in creating that environment. I cannot find references to the statement now, but I recall reading something around the time that the DOJ case against Microsoft startedperhaps on the old MacCentral boards before Macworld reabsorbed the sitewhere an economist predicted that left unchecked, Microsofts monopoly position would trivialize the United States dominance in computing technology. As a result of destroying or assimilating all competition in Borg-like fashion, like any monopoly Microsoft would have little reason to improve their crapware and eventually some upstart in the Asia/Pacific Rim will offer something infinitely better. The result would be the current trend we now see with televisions, audio components, automobiles, etc., that were invented in the US but eventually forfeit Asian firms that are producing better products than their American contemporaries.


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Click to view mdawson's profile Old Hand 2,707 posts since
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9. Mar 8, 2007 11:02 AM in response to: bastion
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PNG's great for flat shaded images. It's not as good as JPEG for photographic images.

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Correct. PNG is effectively an open GIF format without the 256-color restriction.


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Click to view warlock7's profile Member 671 posts since
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10. Mar 8, 2007 11:07 AM in response to: MW Forums
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OMFG!!

Give me a break already. They want to lock down every single open standard and make it their proprietary standard so that they can charge you from the back end after the fact. More proprietary "standards" aren't a solution to anything for anybody except MS.
Click to view jstephe's profile New Member 116 posts since
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11. Mar 8, 2007 11:22 AM in response to: hiredgun469
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I agree. Why does Gates have to have all his fingers in the pie? It irritates me when a company wants to make basically the same technology over again with a different name and requirements. Let's have some simple standards and be done with it already. And I like how he changes the name to the hip "HD" just so his own company name doesn't ruin his chances. Geek.

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This may have something to do with an existing patent for JPEG that could end up costing companies that use JPEG some serious cash.
JPEG Patent Claim Sparks Concern
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,53981,00.html

Quote from the artical above:
Forgent says it is seeking licensing revenue from companies that implement JPEG in "all fields of use," with the sole exception of the satellite broadcast business.
Click to view alansky's profile Member 325 posts since
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12. Mar 8, 2007 11:25 AM in response to: MW Forums
Over my dead body!
When I'm dead and gone, my photos can be converted to a Microsoft format. Not before.
Click to view n4hhe's profile New Member 68 posts since
Jun 13, 2005
13. Mar 8, 2007 11:39 AM in response to: MW Forums
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JPEG is not a standard for compressing images. The claims of "smaller files" due to the format are not telling the whole truth.

JPEG doesn't say how to make a JPEG file, it says how to read a JPEG file and recreate the intended image, it defines the format of the contents. The transformation from image to JPEG file is left as an exercise for the implementer so the amount of compression vs loss of image quality totally depends on the skills of the implementer.
Click to view tomtom's profile Member 886 posts since
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14. Mar 8, 2007 11:49 AM in response to: MW Forums
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One important factor has been overlooked.

JPEG requires a license and Microsoft has not coughed up the required fees and neither have many others.

There is current litigation on this matter.

Verdict - Microsoft is self serving yet again. JPEG 2000 does everything this MS work around does.

Did you know that Vista converts your JPEGS to HD Photo? Did you know that HD has absolutely nothing to do with the High Definition formats? HD is used rather like e or i for its connotation.

Shame on you Microsoft!