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42 Replies Last post: May 12, 2007 9:43 AM by adobephile   Go to original post 1 2 3 Previous Next
Click to view tomtom's profile Member 886 posts since
Jan 6, 2006
30. May 10, 2007 9:09 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Jobs addresses backdating, environment at shareholder meeting
The stock continues its upward path in a difficult market.

It must have been a good meeting.
Click to view whitedog's profile Enthusiast 961 posts since
Aug 9, 2004
31. May 10, 2007 9:20 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Jobs addresses backdating, environment at shareholder meeting
I agree that Steve Jobs is worth every penny he makes at Apple. There are very few big companies that so completely reflect the character and personality of one individual. When the options backdating issue at Apple first came to light, I expect most of us had a heart stopping moment when we were obliged to imagine what would happen to Apple if Steve were forced to step aside. While there are many talented people working for Apple, Steve Jobs is Apple, its heart and soul. We can hope that Steve stays on till he's 65 - or feels he's lost the spark and can no longer do the job up to his standards. In either case, I hope he can find someone to groom as his successor. By the way, Apple stock closed today over $107. Wish I owned some.


Don't anthropomorphize computers - They hate that.
Click to view gschenk3's profile New Member 74 posts since
Feb 15, 2006
32. May 10, 2007 9:44 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Jobs addresses backdating, environment at shareholder meeting
Where are my dividends and shareholder discounts? I don't want to liquidate in order to get value out of my shares. Jobs has been dodging these questions for far too long, and I for one intend to show him I've run out of patience next voting cycle.
Click to view alansky's profile Member 358 posts since
Jul 14, 2004
33. May 10, 2007 10:14 PM in response to: gschenk3
Re: Jobs addresses backdating, environment at shareholder meeting
"Where are my dividends and shareholder discounts? I don't want to liquidate in order to get value out of my shares. Jobs has been dodging these questions for far too long, and I for one intend to show him I've run out of patience next voting cycle."

Poor baby. Thank goodness Steve isn't reading this or he'd be crushed!
Click to view ajhill's profile New Member 2 posts since
May 10, 2007
34. May 10, 2007 11:08 PM in response to: MW Forums
1st-Hand Observations from the meeting
As an interested shareholder I attended the meeting and found it very interesting.

First off, my question, during the Q&A was concerned HD content for the iTunes store (for AppleTv use of course) and the possibility of being able to rent videos through the AppleTV as well:

"When a shareholder asked Jobs for high-definition video content on iTunes and asked if his Apple TV could allow him to rent movies, the CEO smiled. 'One never knows,' he said cryptically."

Now that may seem like an artful dodge, but what didn't get reported was when a question that another shareholder asked as to whether or not Apple was going to be getting into the medical data collection field. To which questions Steve Jobs flat out told him, no we are not.

So a cryptic "One never knows" probably means it's only a matter of time (hopefully short) until these features are present in the AppleTV universe.


Truly the most disappointing part of the meeting was all the special interest HACKS that showed up to spout their self-righteous opinions as to how Apple should be running their company. The Greenpeace hack was actually shouting most of his statement. And that's not an exaggeration. It only made him lose more credibility.

Here's how the meeting went down in the Reader's digest version. The board's proposals were announced and voted on. Then the shareholders (special interest group's) motions were read and voted on. Then we learned that given the preliminary voting data ALREADY in to Apple, all the Board's motions passed. All the Hack's motions failed.

Then they took some Q&A where the Hacks each came back to attack the board members again. Fortunately they were limited to just a few minutes each.


As an Apple Inc. shareholder, and part owner of the company, here is how I see it. The Board DOES and SHOULD run the company. Special interest groups should stay home, or as Jobs recommended seek a more constructive way of communicating with companies. As a shareholder I am free at anytime to vote with my shares. If I think the Board isn't running the company well. Then I'll sell my Apple shares and look elsewhere. And they know that.

They made a mistake with the options backdating. They learned their lesson (several times over). Now let's all just move on...to June and iPhones for everyone...

Al
Click to view Nobody's profile New Member 58,347 posts since
Oct 18, 2007
35. May 11, 2007 4:08 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Jobs addresses backdating, environment at shareholder meeting
"Jobs did acknowledge that the company is still struggling to decide if third-party developers will be able to create software that will run on the iPhone. Its a decision Apple is wrestling with, according to Jobs."

Steve, please, that is absolutely essential these days. We desperately need to run some applications like Microsoft Office. Please. Otherwise the iPhone will not be in our purchasing cart!
Click to view hagen's profile New Member 138 posts since
Mar 15, 2005
36. May 11, 2007 9:07 AM in response to: joshuawait
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I'm glad to hear that Apple is wrestling with opening the iPhone up to third party application developers. I think it's essential that Apple consider the iPhone a true productivity device for which Apple cannot think of or provide 100% of the solutions.

Third party applications are critical to making almost any platform successful. Cell phones have been exempted because of their limited abilities. PDAs, on the other hand, have not been exempt. As the iPhone seeks to move beyond the traditional boundaries of the cell phone, I think it would become a more compelling device as a platform open to a diverse range of applications. Being able to build on top of OS X, would make it a truly powerful device.

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Yes however Apple will want to guarantee the experience the same way they do the iPod and it's ecosystem and to a lesser extent these days the Mac OS X applications.
Click to view hagen's profile New Member 138 posts since
Mar 15, 2005
37. May 11, 2007 9:07 AM in response to: joshuawait
iPhone as an ecosystem
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I'm glad to hear that Apple is wrestling with opening the iPhone up to third party application developers. I think it's essential that Apple consider the iPhone a true productivity device for which Apple cannot think of or provide 100% of the solutions.

Third party applications are critical to making almost any platform successful. Cell phones have been exempted because of their limited abilities. PDAs, on the other hand, have not been exempt. As the iPhone seeks to move beyond the traditional boundaries of the cell phone, I think it would become a more compelling device as a platform open to a diverse range of applications. Being able to build on top of OS X, would make it a truly powerful device.

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Yes however Apple will want to guarantee the experience the same way they do the iPod and it's ecosystem and to a lesser extent these days the Mac OS X applications. That will take time to figure out the rules, tools and staffing.
Click to view kongjie's profile New Member 35 posts since
Oct 21, 2005
38. May 11, 2007 1:08 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Jobs addresses backdating, environment at shar
The .Mac mess strikes me as odd; I would have assumed that Jobs would defend it or at least deflect criticism. Yet he admits there are problems and they are working on it. How has it gotten to this point?

I've been a .Mac member from the beginning and even though I find it useful, I'm surprised that they have been letting it languish in such an underwhelming state. While they're working on whatever improvements they have in store, adding storage would certainly be a nice gesture.
Click to view bigpics's profile Member 352 posts since
Aug 3, 2001
39. May 11, 2007 3:55 PM in response to: longofest
Re: Jobs addresses backdating, environment at shar
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I think before he took his poke he was pretty clear: Apple doesn't just go out and hire anyone. Their philosophy seems to be to have extremely high hiring standards, and as a result it takes them a long time to staff up. That's a real answer, Microsoft bashing aside.

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Of course, every time Microsoft's Steve Ballmer gets up to speak in public, he's got some snotty comment about how Apple success is all smoke and mirrors, so I don't begrudge a little "back at'cha" from the other side.

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You bring up a good point. I guess the rhetoric on both sides could use a little calming.

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Or some new, pithier lines!
Click to view Schneb's profile Enthusiast 1,328 posts since
Dec 10, 2002
40. May 11, 2007 4:12 PM in response to: hiredgun469
Re: Jobs addresses backdating, environment at shar
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I wish developing great products was as easy as writing a check, Jobs said. If so, then Microsoft would have great products.

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LMAO.... My gut hurts.... Steve Rocks!!!

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I had that very same quote in my clipboard ready to make the same comment.
Click to view Schneb's profile Enthusiast 1,328 posts since
Dec 10, 2002
41. May 11, 2007 4:16 PM in response to: ajhill
Re: 1st-Hand Observations from the meeting
Very informative ajhill. Thank you for those first-hand insights. First time I ever read a long post.
Click to view adobephile's profile Member 557 posts since
Feb 3, 2001
42. May 12, 2007 9:43 AM in response to: kongjie
Re: Jobs addresses backdating, environment at shar
It's not odd at all. Just extend the concept of Apple having its resources already stretched and having to prioritize its tasks. It works on the most important, most urgent first. The .Mac service could use some work, but it's not as important or urgent as other tasks.

We use .Mac all the time for storage and for syncing our machines. While we'd welcome imporvements, the existing system is good for us.