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13 Replies Last post: Oct 27, 2007 12:25 PM by Kyan  
Click to view macworldguy's profile Member 671 posts since
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Dec 13, 2006 12:42 PM

What animation software should I start with????

No doubt I'm posting at the wrong place however here goes:

I would like to try some animation programmes to tie in or supplement my midi/audio hardware gear and computer based software.

I have no idea where to start with learning about animation using software.

Maybe I could produce an IceAge3 animation ?
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Click to view Hugolino's profile New Member 59 posts since
Oct 6, 2006
1. Dec 18, 2006 11:44 AM in response to: macworldguy
Toon Boom or Anime Studio?

I'm actually wanting to dabble in animation myself just for fun, but when more or less the same question as yours was asked in the "budget flash animator" thread nobody had an answer. So I have been investigating my options on my own and I'll repeat here what I posted in that other thread....


Ignoring open source for the moment, your cheapest options are Toon Boom Studio and Anime Studio. Of the two, Toon Boom is more professional and is easier to use if you're already used to creating flash animations in Adobe Flash. But it is also the more expensive of the two. Both programs are able to make Flash animation, Quicktime movies, and other file types at high quality.


  1. Toon Boom Web Site -- http://www.toonboom.com/
  2. Anime Studio (look up on Amazon or http://www.e-frontier.com)
  3. Anime Studio Pro (look up on Amazon or http://www.e-frontier.com)

There are a few free open source animation options I know that are very impressive but they are extremely difficult to use because they come with no help manual and such. They also are relatively more buggy than commercial software. These difficult to use open source alternatives include Synfig, jahshaka, and Ktoon. They're definitely programs to keep an eye on in the distant future as they (hopefully) improve.


If anyone has any firsthand experience with Toon Boom or Anime Studio, please post here on Macworld! I'm holding off on buying either until they're released as a universal binary, so even though I've enjoyed the Toon Boom demo I definitely want to hear more reviews by others to help me decide between the two.

Click to view cindys's profile New Member 9 posts since
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2. Dec 27, 2006 12:59 AM in response to: macworldguy
Re: What animation software should I start with????
Click to view Hugolino's profile New Member 59 posts since
Oct 6, 2006
3. Dec 28, 2006 4:41 AM in response to: macworldguy
"The Tab", "Mirage" & "Flip Book"
Here's three more animation software options:

The Mirage
http://www.bauhaussoftware.com/

The TAB
http://www.the-tab.com/

FlipBook
http://www.digicelinc.com/

I don't know how they rate as I barely stumbled across them just now. They don't seem to be as popular as Toon Boom and Anime Studio for the Mac. Mirage and The Tab aren't available as a Universal Binary, and their "lite" versions are much more expensive than Toon Boom Express or Anime Studio. FlipBook, in contrast, is Universal Binary, and their lite version is similarly priced ($99 for a download or $119 with CD) as Toon Boom Express ($99 for a download or $110 plus shipping with CD).

Oh, as a sidenote, Toon Boom Studio 3.5 (normally $400) and Toon Boom Express 3.0 are on sale until Jan. 3rd. Express is $50 (CD included), and Studio is $300 (CD included). I'm still debating on whether or not to buy Toon Boom Express.
Click to view Hugolino's profile New Member 59 posts since
Oct 6, 2006
4. May 20, 2007 7:42 AM in response to: macworldguy
Open Source Animation Freeware
I just ran across "Pencil" here...


http://www.les-stooges.org/pascal/pencil/


According to the Web site:
"Pencil is an animation/drawing software for Mac OS X and Windows. It lets you create traditional hand-drawn animation (cartoon) using both bitmap and vector graphics. Pencil is free and open source."


I just downloaded it and will check it out...
Click to view Kyan's profile Member 259 posts since
Jan 12, 2003
5. May 21, 2007 2:16 PM in response to: Hugolino
Re: Open Source Animation Freeware
I too am interested in what you find out! Keep us posted.
Click to view Hugolino's profile New Member 59 posts since
Oct 6, 2006
6. May 24, 2007 6:22 AM in response to: Kyan
A quick review of "Pencil" - Animation freeware
quote I too am interested in what you find out! Keep us posted. [/quote]

I played with Pencil for a few hours, and I was both impressed and a wee bit frustrated.

I was impressed because the vector drawing is better than I expected, creating animation is simple, onion skinning is provided, and in general the capabilities are good at the price (free).

I was a little frustrated because vector art isn't easily tweakable, there is no "tweening" to automatically generate in-between frames, the paintbucket fill option occasionally needs you to close dubious "gaps" before it can fill an area with paint, and the color palette is limited.

My overall view would be that it is the simplest (in a good way) animation program I've played around with and has great potential. Definitely worth playing around with at this point for those, like me, who like to dabble in different art forms. It also might be a good trainer to see if you have a knack for animation before buying more expensive professional software.

C++

Click to view Kyan's profile Member 259 posts since
Jan 12, 2003
7. May 28, 2007 1:23 AM in response to: Hugolino
Re: A quick review of "Pencil" - Animation freeware
I'm curious if it is possible (and if so, easy) to import vector graphics from illustrator? Pencil looks interesting and it, along with a few other programs which require more than 10.3.8, will probably force me to upgrade pretty soon.

Until then, can you tell me if it is possible to import vector art 1) from a program like Illustrator and 2) from project to project within Pencil?

I'd use it to compose a lot of very small (6-10 frame) clips and many of them will have frames that are exactly the same, so I'm hoping I would be able to cut and paste them easily.

Also, any idea on how big a .mov file made of 10 black and white frames with no background .bmp would be?

Thanks ahead for any information on those q's specifically.
and thanks for the comments you already made on Pencil.
Click to view Hugolino's profile New Member 59 posts since
Oct 6, 2006
8. Jun 25, 2007 2:02 PM in response to: Kyan
Vectors in Adobe Illustrator / open source Pencil
I'm curious if it is possible (and if so, easy) to import vector graphics from illustrator?


Yes, you can export vector graphics in several formats, including EPS, PDF and -- i think -- as Flash objects.


You can also import vector graphic into Illustrator using EPS and PDF formats... or by using the tracing ability on bitmapped (raster) images.


2) from project to project within Pencil?


I am not sure, but I think -- at this point in its development -- that is unlikely.


Also, any idea on how big a .mov file made of 10 black and white frames with no background .bmp would be?


Depends on the resolution of the images, but I would think it would not be very large at all.
Click to view Hugolino's profile New Member 59 posts since
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9. Sep 20, 2007 8:04 AM in response to: Kyan
Bump!
quoteI too am interested in what you find out! Keep us posted. [/quote]
Just bumping this topic back up to relevance since people seem to forget to search old topics before asking the same question over again. It would be nice if this thread could be "stickied" for future reference. :)
Click to view Kyan's profile Member 259 posts since
Jan 12, 2003
10. Sep 21, 2007 1:41 PM in response to: Hugolino
Re: Bump!
I finally downloaded Pencil and it is exactly what I'm looking for. I've never done animation before at all, so it took a bit of thinking to figure it out. But once i learned how to move keys back and forth, it was very easy.

Mind you I'm only do very small black-and-white stick figure sequences, but I'm very impressed to find such a resource. Great gem of a programme.
Click to view Kyan's profile Member 259 posts since
Jan 12, 2003
11. Sep 24, 2007 2:13 AM in response to: Kyan
Re: Bump!
OK, well actually I've managed to crash it quite a lot. Still good though.
Click to view macforme's profile New Member 1 posts since
Oct 26, 2007
12. Oct 27, 2007 1:31 AM in response to: Kyan
Re: Bump!
Sorry for the old thread bump.

Kyan, you were wondering about importing Illustrator files into an animation program. I'm not sure if you know this, but you can use Illustrator to make those small 6-10 frame animations you were asking about. You set the animation up in layers, each layer will be a separate frame. After everything is set up, export the file as a .swf flash animation, with the layers set to frames option.

Once the file is saved as a .swf, you can open it in a browser window or in Quicktime, I believe.
Click to view Kyan's profile Member 259 posts since
Jan 12, 2003
13. Oct 27, 2007 12:25 PM in response to: macforme
Re: Bump!
Hey, thanks! I did not know that. I'll give it a try.