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30. Apr 24, 2007 2:03 PM in response to: chasd
Re: Macword Weblog: The rise of Firefox
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Also, even though you mentioned one rarely used browser ( Opera ) specifically, I did not see a mention of Camino, my current browser choice. Was it included in "Browsers that identify themselves simply as a Mozilla variant"?

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From the article:

"But what about the other browsers?" I hear some of you asking. Well, the truth is that the other browsers dont make much of a dent at all. Browsers that identify themselves simply as a Mozilla variant count for somewhere between four and five percent of our traffic.



Yes, Camino counts as a Mozilla variant.

- cp
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31. Apr 24, 2007 5:04 PM in response to: cpoff
Re: Macword Weblog: The rise of Firefox
I use Firefox at home, on both mac and PC.

I'd actually rather use Safari for most purposes, but:

1. Safari is not availlable for the PC.
2. Safari (current version) is not availlable for my mac (OS 10.2)

iBook G4/1,2, iMac 2,13, Athlon 3800+, PS2, Gamecube, PS3
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32. Apr 24, 2007 6:23 PM in response to: sdf
Re: Macword Weblog: The rise of Firefox
If Safari only had the capability that Firefox has with the Tab Mix Plus extension I would probably use it all the time. I find myself using Firefox more and more, and sometimes Camino.
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33. Apr 24, 2007 10:59 PM in response to: Macworld.com
Re: Macword Weblog: The rise of Firefox
Well, not having the latest & greatest hardware and not being a big fan of upgrading everything as a full-time hobby, I find Firefox too slow and Safari updates incompatible with the OS Apple sold me. So, it's Camino for me, a rather civilized little browser if a bit on the basic side. Works beautifully and does what I need, what more can I ask for?
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34. Apr 25, 2007 12:41 AM in response to: Adwiz
Re: Macword Weblog: The rise of Firefox
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A lot of sites, including this one are poorly designed for low resolution monitors only. If I use Firefox or Safari, the web site only takes up about half the width of the screen. If I want it to fill the screen, I have to use the zoom feature in OSX or use Opera's zoom feature.

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I don't like to get off topic, but this isn't correct. Keeping your site from filling the width of the screen isn't a sign of poor design, it's actually the result of good web design.

There are too many issues to go into here, but the primary points are 1) Making sure that nobody has to scroll sideways if they do have a low-resolution monitor and 2) Making sure that if they have a wide monitor the text doesn't exceed 40 or so characters per line because wide lines of text are not legible. What happens is that when your text is too wide for the beginning and end of the line to both remain in peripheral vision, then the eye can no longer follow which line you last read, causing rapid eye fatigue. This keeps people from reading your content.

So developers are kind of caught in a box. They can either design for the lowest common denominator or they can design a floating width text table that becomes illegible on large browser windows. Both situations have problems, but the international consensus among professionals is that the first option represents better design.

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Well, if they have a low resolution monitor, it will fill the screen and by your argument be illegible.

If you use percentages instead of a fixed number of pixels wide, you can design it to fill the window on everyones screen, then the user can size the window to whatever is easiest to read.
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35. Apr 26, 2007 4:45 PM in response to: Macworld.com
The rise of Firefox - importing bookmarks
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Jason Snell charts the rise of Firefox among Macworld's web browsers. <a href="http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/macword/2007/04/webstats/index.php">more</a>


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Firefox is winning me back however when I tried to import bookmarks from Opera FF only gives the option of importing from Safari. I had to import Opera bookmarks to Safari and then import to FF. What's that all about?

In any case, my new bank doesn't like Opera so I have to use FF for online.
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36. Jun 2, 2007 7:38 AM in response to: steve333
Re: Macword Weblog: The rise of Firefox
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Safari basically sucks. it has few features, it doesnt work with some websites and its a half assed job by Apple. Surprising coming from them, but it just isn't a very good browser. They would be better off redoing the whole thing based on Mozilla and add features such as more easily importing bookmarks and allowing us to turn off animated gifs, etc.

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I haven't found ANY advantages to Safari over the Fox (for what I do -- there may be features that matter to you I could care less about). I switched two years ago and would never go back, but Spotlight (which more often than not does not find what I'm looking for, even I type in an actual file name), Safari, Apple Mail and iPhoto are basically things I never use, and Dashboard is clever, but a ram hog.

And if you use GMail (using your own hard drive to store mail and not being able to access it from any machine is so last millenium), FireFox is nearly mandatory. Most of GMail's cooler features which make it such a great mail client disappear there (even more disappear in Camino, neglected in the article, which is supposed to be both Mozilla and pure Mac).

So all my "widgets" are on my Google.com/ig page, not using ram -- and they are legion; and Safari can't hold a tiny candle to FireFox in terms of useful add-ins. Cooliris preview, Flashblock, Googlepedia, PDF Download and Foxmarks bookmark synchronizer among others come to mind.

Safari isn't a bad browser -- it's just not as useful for so many purposes. (It does seem not to monopolize as much RAM as Firefox, though.)
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