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Click to view Macworld.com's profile Enthusiast 1,900 posts since
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Jun 8, 2007 10:20 AM

Editors' Notes Weblog: A genuine disadvantage

Rob Griffiths experiences the joys of downloading a Windows XP patch in the era of Windows Genuine Advantage. more
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Click to view np2's profile New Member 9 posts since
Sep 15, 2006
1. Jun 8, 2007 2:20 PM in response to: Macworld.com
Re: Editors' Notes Weblog: A genuine disadvantage
It seems that, as far as "antipiracy" measures are concerned, the rules that apply in Greece concerning the installation of localized OSX, are much closer to Microsoft than to Apple's way of thinking. You even have to spell your computer's serial number through the phone, just to be able to complete the OS installation... This is rather silly, considering that anybody can add Greek language functionality to Panther and Tiger, by using the freeware program XGreek (check VersionTracker if you are interested). I have tried it and it works very nicely, it even includes some very useful fonts!
Click to view KRZ5252's profile New Member 10 posts since
Apr 21, 2007
2. Jun 8, 2007 2:53 PM in response to: Macworld.com
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I am surprised that you didn't have to phone microsoft to get a new access code for Windows. Everytime I have upgraded bootcamp I get the message that my hardware has been "significantly changed" and that I have to reregister my copy of windows. Still works ok in Parallels so I have stopped using the bootcamp version. But the last tome it also expired in parallels as well. What a pain in the a$$.
Click to view Walt_Basil's profile Member 302 posts since
Sep 26, 2004
3. Jun 8, 2007 3:03 PM in response to: KRZ5252
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I am surprised that you didn't have to phone microsoft to get a new access code for Windows.

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Exactly. I had to re-install Windows XP on one of my PCs and because I had added an extra internal hard drive to it, the process would not let me continue installing. I had to phone microsoft, give them my info, the computer's info, and then they gave me a new number to use.

Interestingly though, the next time I had to re-install, I used the original number (because I lost the new one) and the installer took the original without any problems. Even though it still had the extra hard drive in it. Srange.
Click to view luomat's profile New Member 42 posts since
Nov 23, 2004
4. Jun 8, 2007 3:28 PM in response to: Macworld.com
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I've got a Dell at home behind a dialup account. My MacBook goes to work with me with a huge DSL pipe. I'd love to download updates for my Dell on my MacBook, but I can't. Well, I can, I just have to do it all the hard way.
Click to view saxmike's profile New Member 49 posts since
Jan 27, 2006
5. Jun 8, 2007 3:48 PM in response to: Macworld.com
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Now, how does this help prevent Windows piracy? Not in any meaningful way that I can see, especially when you consider that you can get online from a genuine Windows machine in many placesan Internet caf, the public library, etc. So sitting at home with your pirated copy of Windows, you only need to use a legitimate machine to download the patch. A bit of an inconvenience, to be sure, but hardly enough to prevent a dedicated pirate from patching their system. (Apparently its relatively simple to get around the WGA testing, but Ive never tried. Even more evidence, though, that this system doesnt do much at all to discourage the serious pirates.)



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As much and as often as I am annoyed by Microsoft, I can at least understand what they're trying to do in the copy-protection arena. They're not trying to prevent the "serious" Windows pirates; those folks will always be around, always doing their thing. MS is trying to dissuade the casual "what-the-heck-what-does-a-huge-company-like-Microsoft-need-my-$200-bucks-for-anyway?"-type of person who might install an improper copy of Windows because it's easy enough to do.

I of course prefer Apple's methods and corporate culture in general, and because of that I am willing to pay $129 or however much I'm going to pay for a family licence of 10.5 when it comes out, and I imagine many readers of this will do the same. Apple has the "luxury" (for lack of a better word) of a paying clientele like us. Or perhaps they've worked really hard at getting and keeping us as clients all these years, I'm not sure.

But if I were producing my own software, the sales of which provided me with my livelihood, I certainly would at least put in place some copy protection methods to prevent the garden-variety user from abusing my kindness and generosity.
Click to view Graeme_Smith's profile Member 483 posts since
Apr 21, 2005
6. Jun 8, 2007 3:48 PM in response to: Macworld.com
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Typical Microsoft
Click to view griffman's profile Macworld Editorial 8,056 posts since
Jan 9, 2001
7. Jun 8, 2007 4:10 PM in response to: saxmike
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The problem with that approach, as I see it, is that they lose very little money to casual piracy -- ones and twos aren't going to dent their income. Instead, it's the serious pirate printing up 5,000 copies for distribution to dishonest OEMs that are going to ruin their day. And as you admit, this protection does nothing to prevent those folks from succeeding, as they will work around the WGA limitations...

So the honest home user is left to deal with something that won't really help the big picture at all.

-rob.
Click to view wintomac's profile New Member 113 posts since
Jun 24, 2005
8. Jun 8, 2007 4:28 PM in response to: griffman
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I can't believe you're working so hard with windows. Haven't thoughts of suicide crept in yet?

My advice before working in windows; count to ten, take a deep breath and think happy thoughts. Sometimes it actually works for me.
Click to view garyi's profile Member 198 posts since
Jun 3, 2005
9. Jun 8, 2007 5:47 PM in response to: wintomac
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Oh give it a break. I work in windows every day of the week and in general its flawless, to see a crash is most unusual. Sure it looks like crap but it runs perfectly.
Click to view lwdesign's profile Member 462 posts since
Sep 28, 2005
10. Jun 8, 2007 7:47 PM in response to: garyi
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Oh give it a break. I work in windows every day of the week and in general its flawless, to see a crash is most unusual. Sure it looks like crap but it runs perfectly.

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It appears you didn't read the article or any of the comments. Nothing was mentioned about Windows crashing--it's all about updating the bloody thing via the Internet, when the software won't allow access to the Internet. Read the article and the comments and then feel free to make a comment that is meaningful and on topic.
Click to view esteban's profile New Member 39 posts since
Jun 4, 2007
11. Jun 8, 2007 8:36 PM in response to: Macworld.com
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(...) but since I dont often connect to the net when booted into Windows (as Im either testing an OS X-related hint or playing a game!)

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How can you test an OS X-related hint with Windows?
Click to view griffman's profile Macworld Editorial 8,056 posts since
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12. Jun 8, 2007 11:07 PM in response to: esteban
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Some of the hints have to do with using Boot Camp -- not as many any more, but in the beginning, how to work around some of the driver issues.

-rob.
Click to view garyi's profile Member 198 posts since
Jun 3, 2005
13. Jun 9, 2007 1:38 AM in response to: lwdesign
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Read the post above mine before commenting. Thats what I was replying too.
Click to view jamesbond007's profile New Member 17 posts since
Apr 9, 2005
14. Jun 9, 2007 3:26 AM in response to: Macworld.com
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Windows Vista has this crap "Genuine Advantage" validation built in which checks all the time whether you are a pirate. It is known that some installation of software and/or drivers may trigger the demon and demands you to "reactivate" Vista, otherwise you will be put into "Reduced Functionality Mode" and essentially locked out of the computer.

For Windows XP the situation may be a little less worse but as some already mentioned, an update of Boot Camp may also trigger the reactivation request. If Microsoft grants a new activation code, well and good, but what if Microsoft denies the request?

Users of Parallels may also be required to reactivate Windows if they update to a new version of Parallels (which necessitates the installation of a new version of Parallels Tools).

All these are just unacceptable to me. I still use Windows XP, but it is a Corporate version without activation, so at least I do not have to worry about being hit with the reactivation request. And as the author states it is pretty easy to get around the "Genuine Advantage" validation if you search hard enough. I do have several copies of legitimate versions of Windows XP but I do not use them now.

By the way, I will not upgrade to Windows Vista since there is no way to avoid the activation.

Also, other softwares which have their own methods of activation such as Adobe Photoshop and Microsoft Office also presumes all the perspective users are thieves and demands "activations" to prove their innocence. If the computer hardware changes "significantly" such as booting the Boot Camp partition under Parallels, then a further "reactivation" will be required to prove their innocence for another time. Imagine what a hassle this is if you use several pieces of software that requires activation. Not to mention the possibility that the activation schemes may conflict with each other.

For all these reasons I make it a point to avoid any software with activation as far as possible.