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26 Replies Last post: Jun 19, 2007 10:41 AM by Ponceno   Go to original post 1 2 Previous Next
Click to view TheBum's profile Member 201 posts since
Jun 8, 2004
15. Jun 18, 2007 12:40 PM in response to: Frisky
Re: Apple improves iPhone battery, screen cover
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It's a shame they haven't addressed the biggest shortcoming of all... the restriction on carrier. As much as I would like one, I've played "AT&T customer" before and didn't like it. Playing "Cingular customer" wasn't much more fun.

Until they manage to correct this major foul-up in the iPhone, I can think of at least one sale that they won't be making.

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Apple was in a sticky situation. If they had gone with multiple carriers, the financial risk would have been much greater should the iPhone flop, not to mention that they would have needed to produce two different models or a multi-band phone, the former resulting in supply issues and the latter resulting in higher prices. If they had gone with Verizon as their initial carrier, you would have heard the same complaints from the AT&T/Cingular customers.
Click to view k2director's profile New Member 61 posts since
Sep 14, 2002
16. Jun 18, 2007 12:40 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple improves iPhone battery, screen cover
Bette battery life and screen? Let me at it! June 29 can't come too soon....
Click to view JoeC's profile New Member 44 posts since
Apr 5, 2007
17. Jun 18, 2007 1:42 PM in response to: TheBum
Re: Apple improves iPhone battery, screen cover
If Apple had gone with multiple carriers, those carriers would have dictated the phone's features, as they do with all other smart phones. There would have most likely been no WiFi, and it would have been riddled with all sorts of lame software tied into the carrier's services that couldn't be erased. Take a look at any Treo to see what I'm talking about.

Exclusivity was one of the compromises Jobs made to get what he wanted on this first run. Once the phone sells in the tens of millions, he'll have a lot more to bring to the bargaining table.

The significance of iPhone has nothing to do with the specifics of iPhone's features, by the way. If the iPhone experiment is successful, it will literally change the way phone creators interact with carriers, getting the power out of the hands of the carriers and back to the phone makers. This will ultimately benefit consumers all around.
Click to view doglesby's profile Member 482 posts since
Aug 31, 2004
18. Jun 18, 2007 2:10 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: Apple improves iPhone battery, screen cover
Oh, Apple, stop teasing me! I already wanted one. Now you tell me it will have better battery life and a better screen. Tell me what I want to hear, that a camera-less version will be available. I'm not asking for a price reduction, just a phone I can take to work.
Click to view lwdesign's profile Member 456 posts since
Sep 28, 2005
19. Jun 18, 2007 2:11 PM in response to: JoeC
Re: Apple improves iPhone battery, screen cover
These cannot be "last-minute" changes. It takes months to ramp up production of the hundreds of thousands of units they need on launch day, which is only 11 days away. The manufacturing logistics involved in creating a glass face and a longer life battery are enormous and can't simply be magically slipped into the production line on a few days notice. These plans must have been under way for months in order to dig up suppliers and manufacturers who could provide the parts in sufficient quantities, as per exact Apple specifications. Imagine putting in an order for 500,000 to 1,000,000 glass faces which have to be a precise thickness, an exact shape (with precisely curved corners), and made of an exact formula of glass--then once this has arrived at the factory, working out the processes involved in placing it in the phones, along with revamping the automation or assembly lines to accommodate the revision. Nope, this aint an overnight project kids.

Take a look at this: If Apple had all of a sudden changed their minds on using glass instead of plastic, all the plastic faced phones that had already been built would have to be scrapped or taken apart and refurbished with glass. Apple would lose hundreds of thousands of dollars on plastic faces that they would have already ordered. So, the whole idea that this is a last minute change is ridiculous when you stop to consider the actual logistics involved.

Now, I'm hoping to hear on launch day that the models have been bumped from 4 and 8 GB to 8 and 16 GB for the same price. Now that would make me smile!
Click to view tech_head's profile New Member 9 posts since
Jan 19, 2005
20. Jun 18, 2007 2:29 PM in response to: TheBum
Re: Apple improves iPhone battery, screen cover
GSM is GSM.
AT&T is a GSM carrier. Verizon and Sprint(to some degree) are CDMA.
All Apple needs to do is unlock the phone and it will work for any GSM carrier.
Apple is side loading media on the phone so AT&T is not really building any infrastructure.

tech

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Apple was in a sticky situation. If they had gone with multiple carriers, the financial risk would have been much greater should the iPhone flop, not to mention that they would have needed to produce two different models or a multi-band phone, the former resulting in supply issues and the latter resulting in higher prices. If they had gone with Verizon as their initial carrier, you would have heard the same complaints from the AT&T/Cingular customers.

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Click to view Adwiz's profile Member 225 posts since
Aug 27, 2004
21. Jun 18, 2007 2:59 PM in response to: tech_head
Re: Apple improves iPhone battery, screen cover
While that's true to an extent, anyone who has ever tried to download a ring tune for their phone understands the bizarre complexities that relate to carrier. You need special versions of some software depending on the carrier you're tied in with. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but there it is. There are many factors behind the scenes dictated by the individual carrier, including SMTP support, configuration issues, drivers for some software and so on. Apple would not want to release a product that gets bad press because one carrier doesn't properly support one of the applications. That would be pretty stupid. So, while I too am frustrated that they didn't release an unlocked version, I fully understand the reasons and will happily wait until these issues are resolved enough that the release of an unlocked phone won't impact the future of the iPhone.
Click to view heyjp's profile New Member 107 posts since
Jun 7, 2004
22. Jun 18, 2007 4:21 PM in response to: scotts13
Re: Apple improves iPhone battery, screen cover
Hey,

They have an accelerometer in the iPhone. How about adding a pair of thrusters to stop the fall?

Jim
Click to view Nobody's profile New Member 58,347 posts since
Oct 18, 2007
23. Jun 18, 2007 4:41 PM in response to: Adwiz
Glass quality
I can only comment on my experience with glasses, having worn them for around 26 years now and having gone from thin glass to high-index plastic (prescription is now at -7). So I went from optical glass to plastic to polycarbonate to high-index plastic. Of course, these are thicker amounts than you'd get on an iPhone, but I think the observations are valid, anyway. Obviously, the primary reasons for switching (the above progression represents the weight (plastic) and thickness of the lens (poly and high-index) dropping compared to glass don't really apply much to a display cover, whereas refraction doesn't matter.

1> Glass - Reasonably good scratch resistance, but heavier material. Far from being shatter resistant, though, especially at thinner layers (needed to keep light). Basically, this one is going to break easier than plastic, but it's clearer and more scratch resistant. I'd still think twice about using something like a tissue to dry them after cleaning, though.

2> Traditional Plastic - Lighter and they don't break as easily when dropped. Even with a scratch resistant coat, they scratch so easily it's not even funny. I took really good care of my glasses and they STILL had scratches on them after 2 years. You'd need to get new glasses every couple of years whether you needed them or not. You HAVE to use special cloths when cleaing them or they WILL start to scratch. Terrible material overall--worst of the bunch, IMO.

3> Polycarbonate Plastic = HUGE improvement over regular plastic. These lenses are naturally scratch resistant (no scratch coat needed) and it works MUCH better. I could dry my lenses with tissues even (doctor's will tell you this is a big no-no with plastic) and they would NEVER EVER get a scratch. In fact, it would generally take YEARS before I'd see any kind of scratch on them. I can't deny the fact that CDs and DVDs (which also use polycarbonate) DO easily get scratched, so perhaps the thickness of the material plays a part in it (or the quality of the polycarbonate used??), but with lenses I never had a real problem. I think my lenses scratched LESS than with glass. The real problem with polycarbonate is that they are not as clear as glass and at higher prescriptions (around -5 or -6), they get harder to make without any distortions. Eventually, it got too unreliable for me to use.

3> High-Index Plastic - This is what I use now. It's heavily scratch resistant (considering the cost of my lenses at this point, I didn't want to press my luck with tissues to compare to polycarbonate, but I usually use a clean t-shirt or a lens cloth and I have not ever had a scratch, even on my one pair that I had for about 5 years). They simply don't scratch under normal glasses use. Clarity is better than polycarbonate and works at very high prescription levels (refraction index is MUCH higher). They're also the thinnest lenses I can get (probably no thicker than my glass lenses were at -2). The downside is it's EXPENSIVE by comparison (I think I paid $250 for the lenses in this pair, not counting the frame cost (another $200) at Lenscrafters).

Personally, I'd say regular plastic is the WORST thing they could possibly use. Glass is definitely better than plastic or cheap polycarbonate, but it seems bad to me because it's so hard it can break. I would have preferred lens quality polycarbonate or high-index plastic, both of which are softer than glass, but highly scratch resistant compared to plastic. I can't see dropping your phone surviving with glass if it lands on the glass surface. Maybe if they have a rubber surround around the glass part so that the screen itself is unlikely to actually directly contact something like a cement sidewalk, but if exposed, I don't imagine it would be good.
Click to view Ponceno's profile New Member 153 posts since
Apr 21, 2006
24. Jun 18, 2007 6:02 PM in response to: Frisky
Re: Apple improves iPhone battery, screen cover
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It's a shame they haven't addressed the biggest shortcoming of all... the restriction on carrier. As much as I would like one, I've played "AT&T customer" before and didn't like it. Playing "Cingular customer" wasn't much more fun.

Until they manage to correct this major foul-up in the iPhone, I can think of at least one sale that they won't be making.

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Apple goes to Verizon first, but don't get an agreement. And the AT&T contract is for 5 years.
Click to view KPO'M's profile Enthusiast 1,278 posts since
Nov 29, 2001
25. Jun 18, 2007 11:37 PM in response to: Ponceno
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Apple goes to Verizon first, but don't get an agreement. And the AT&T contract is for 5 years.


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I wonder why they couldn't come to terms? Perhaps Verizon wanted too much, or perhaps Apple couldn't offer them as much since a Verizon phone wouldn't work in Europe (where there's a bigger market for high-end phones). That said, a CDMA phone could work in Japan or Korea (where there's also such a market).

Verizon or Sprint could have offered Apple a bigger 3G network to start. T-Mobile would have had less leverage with Apple than any of the other three (meaning Apple could have dictated the key terms), although they are also the furthest behind in terms of 3G, meaning a UMTS/HSPDA iPhone probably wouldn't have arrived until mid-2008. As it is, my guess is we'll see a 3G iPhone on AT&T by the end of the year, since by then, Nokia may have some more 3Gs, and Sony Ericsson will have their 3G/HSPDA K850 out.

As for plastic vs. glass, each has its advantages and disadvantages. High-index plastic is very scratch-resistant, although it's also very expensive. Glass is scratch resistant, but more fragile and heavier. Polycarbonate is very durable, but scratches easily. Basically, the harder the material, the more scratch-resistant, but less flexible it is. The softer the material, the more flexible and less likely to break it is, but also the more scratch-prone.
Click to view Ponceno's profile New Member 153 posts since
Apr 21, 2006
26. Jun 19, 2007 10:41 AM in response to: KPO'M
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Apple goes to Verizon first, but don't get an agreement. And the AT&T contract is for 5 years.


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I wonder why they couldn't come to terms?

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Here from a MacWorld news about Verizon point of view:

Verizon Wireless vice president Jim Gerace claims that his company turned Apple down because they couldnt reach a deal that was mutually beneficial. Apple wanted a percentage of the monthly fees, control over how iPhones could be sold and control of the relationship with iPhone customers, Gerace said.

Full article:
http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/01/29/verizon/index.php