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Click to view MW Forums's profile New Member 12,220 posts since
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Jul 1, 2007 10:50 PM

My weekend with the iPhone

The iPhone's been out in the wild for an entire weekend now. Jim Dalrymple checks in after 48 hours of iPhone use to share some first impressions -- good and bad -- about the new mobile device. more
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Click to view sdf's profile Member 339 posts since
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1. Jul 2, 2007 2:03 AM in response to: MW Forums
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Typo: "I could here them well"

And a question: "Another thing missing from Mail is the ability to mark all messages as read. In order to get rid of the read designation on the iPhone, you actually have to look at each messageagain, a time waster if you have already read the messages on your computer."

Doesn't the iPhone's mail program recognize that the message has been marked as read on the server? Or are you not using IMAP?
Click to view TokyoPhil's profile New Member 15 posts since
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2. Jul 2, 2007 2:04 AM in response to: MW Forums
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Hi,

When I went to buy my iPhone I hadn't even really considered the possibility of not being able to respond to non-English e-mails. It's probably just a temporary inconvenience, and the fact that the Japanese fonts are already present means Apple's already given it some thought.

Hmmmm. . . . I ought to try changing my Mac's system OS to Japanese and re-syncing just out of curiosity.

WISH LIST 4 IPHONE so far:
1. Multi-lingual writing capabilities
2. Font-size +/-- buttons in Mail & Safari, Font size pref for Safari
3. iPhone reads notes/messages/docs aloud so I can listen while I drive
4. Back button in Safari
5. Better sorting of Call History (more choice tabs: "Incoming" "Missed" "Outgoing"
6. iCal Week view
7. Horizontal viewing for ALL apps
8. File management/storage. (How do I use a gif as part of my Mail sig? How do I attach a PDF or .doc to a Mail message?)

This is in addition to the other oft-cited requests around the net today: DRAG N DROP, VOICE DIALING, VOICE MEMO, WRITE/EDIT DOCS, DISK MODE, iCAL TO DO LISTS, FLASH, etc.

As much as I LOVE my iPhone, I'm already excited and eagerly awaiting the next update, though I don't expect anything major until 10.5 is released in October. What do you all think?

Phil
Click to view Jim Dalrymple's profile Macworld Editorial 225 posts since
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3. Jul 2, 2007 2:33 AM in response to: sdf
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Doesn't the iPhone's mail program recognize that the message has been marked as read on the server? Or are you not using IMAP?

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I am using POP.
Click to view sigma8's profile Member 575 posts since
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4. Jul 2, 2007 2:35 AM in response to: MW Forums
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Jim.. Some issues I noticed.. I'm hoping this is just ignorance on my part, hopefully someone can clue me in:

In Safari:
I cannot right-click or double-click. This prevented me from using some "web 2.0" apps that were AJAXified--which appeared to be working fine until I realized "Hmm, I can't do that kind of click...I won't be able to execute function X"

I tried tapping with the finger immediately to the right of my usual tapping finger, but NO EFFECT. Still a normal tap!

In Youtube:
Some searches just seem to be blocked, for lack of a better word. I was searching for some admittedly racy clips--nothing so bad as to be marked mature by the community. But they didn't show up. My interest piqued, I put some more general "racy" searches in, and plenty of material just as bad (and worse) came up. So what I thought was an ingenious censoring of PG-13 content turns out to be a sporadic censoring of PG-13 content, which is of potential concern to content holders who may be trying to get their videos seen on youtube. Who knows what criteria is being used to censor?

Calculator:
No scientific options? LoL..
Not that anyone would buy it for that purpose...but..come on, throw us a bone here. Someone might at least benefit from some square roots.

iPod:
Again, hopefully I'm ignorant..but if I am listening to an album, then decide to watch a video, it duly remembers my position in the album.. So if I navigate back to the album, I can see that it's paused--playing the video didn't disrupt that placemarker. However, I have to FIND that placemarker the long way, navigating through the menus. It would be great if there was some shortcut to resume the "now playing" for different media types.

form-factor:
This isn't anything they can fix with a patch, and just a very minor hardware quip. I will often put the iPhone into a pouch in a bag, and then use the headset...so far, every time I have done this, but then wanted momentary access to the iPhone to check the time or change a setting, it was momentarily confusing for the button to be at the far end of the device, since the headphone jack is at the top. Maybe I'm just too used to using a nano, but it seems annoying to have to reach WAY down into the small device pouch I'm using to hit that button, after which I can proceed to manipulate the more vertically convenient onscreen controls.

main screen:
I wish I could put widgets on there. Even if they were only shortcuts to webpages.

Finally, sometimes in the middle of using anything, I get zapped back to the main screen. No idea why. Is there a tap-combo that does this? I'm not hitting the (one and only) button.

Overall, I'm very impressed with it, but irritated that I get such erratic and overall poor reception in my apartment. I did go around town today (Cambridge, MA) and confirmed it works great nearly everywhere except for a little bubble around my building--which is weird. I'm a block from a hospital, and less than 6 blocks from Harvard. There must be some kind of interference...is my latest guess.
Click to view Jim Dalrymple's profile Macworld Editorial 225 posts since
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5. Jul 2, 2007 2:53 AM in response to: sigma8
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his prevented me from using some "web 2.0" apps that were AJAXified

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My daughter actually alerted me to this problem too when she went to Facebook or one of her other favorites.


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I'm not sure what's up with YouTube. I remember when it was first announced they said it be quite some time before all of the videos were in H.264, so it could be as simple as that.

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I'll have to try this out for myself. I've been focusing on the phone mostly.


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Honestly, I think it's what we get used to.


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I'm with you there.


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Finally, sometimes in the middle of using anything, I get zapped back to the main screen. No idea why. Is there a tap-combo that does this? I'm not hitting the (one and only) button.


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The same thing happened to me a couple of times, but I thought it was something I did. I guess not.


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My reception has actually been really good -- better than my Blackberry. I have noticed that it seems to fluctuate a little bit more at times, but overall really good.
Click to view Blake_Sobiloff's profile New Member 4 posts since
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6. Jul 2, 2007 2:54 AM in response to: Jim Dalrymple
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Yeah, POP's the rub--and Gmail makes it even worse by copying every message you send to your inbox, making for a lot of inbox cleaning after sending emails. As best as I can determine there are only two IMAP providers: .Mac and AOL. Neither implement Yahoo's push-mail functionality, but unfortunately Yahoo doesn't provide IMAP access to desktop clients--only the iPhone.

I've been a heavy user of Gmail, but my iPhone has me evaluating .Mac...
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7. Jul 2, 2007 3:47 AM in response to: Blake_Sobiloff
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A good choice for IMAP e-mail access is fastmail.fm. It has different subscription levels, including a free one. I've been using the service for a couple of years and I'm happy with it.
Click to view Philip Michaels's profile Macworld Editorial 802 posts since
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8. Jul 2, 2007 4:40 AM in response to: Jim Dalrymple
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I'm not sure what's up with YouTube. I remember when it was first announced they said it be quite some time before all of the videos were in H.264, so it could be as simple as that.

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It is as simple as all that. YouTube is still converting stuff to H.264 and expects the complete catalogue to be ready this fall.

Peter will be most disappointed to learn that you don't read his news stories, Jim.
Click to view chiny's profile New Member 5 posts since
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9. Jul 2, 2007 4:50 AM in response to: MW Forums
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Hi,

I'm trying to get an unbiased overview of the iPhone. For me, iPhone should be strong with its phone functionalities. Visual voicemail is great but is there any other new phones these days that lack MMS? I understand that the eye-candy and the experience with the device shadows alot of those thoughts or most people try not to think about it claiming that they seldom use it. But many people do. Having a favourites list is nowhere close to speed dialing. Now what about voice dialing or voice commands? These 2 can probably be left out but modern phones ought to have them because they're useful and people use them in certain circumstances.

What I'm trying to see is a good top to bottom review in comparison to other phones out there without being clouded by the nice eye-candy. Is it true that composing an email can only have one attachment? No custom ringtones? And no video capabilities with its camera? Aren't all these supposed to be a no brainer feature in modern phones?

I'm not trying to bash the iPhone here but i'm hopeful to get a good perspective from macworld about the iPhone when compared to other phones. I'm sure the user experience is good but missing all those features do not seem to be good for users once the eye-candy effects fade off on a user
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10. Jul 2, 2007 11:29 AM in response to: chiny
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Hey Chiny,

The strength of the iPhone, from what I can gather, is the integration between the features, and the drop-dead simplicity of use. This is a "smart phone for the rest of us." Most people I know can't even figure out how to use their cell-phone's contacts list, let alone how to sync their calendars.

This being a 1.0 device, yes, there are plenty of features that are missing... No games? No flash? No audio recording? No text selection? No speed dial? There's a lot of room for growth. I personally think the iPhone won't fully realize its potential until Apple opens it up as a development platform (even if its in a very closely managed sort of way).

So, while this is an amazing, groundbreaking and very significant advancement in mobile technology, power users like yourself may want to hold off until some of the gaps have been filled.
Click to view sigma8's profile Member 575 posts since
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11. Jul 2, 2007 12:08 PM in response to: Philip Michaels
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YouTube is still converting stuff to H.264

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Aha, that explains it. I had forgotten this was how the widget worked. Seems kind of silly to me. Shouldn't Apple be working on a version of Flash for the iPhone?
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12. Jul 2, 2007 12:24 PM in response to: Jim Dalrymple
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Finally, sometimes in the middle of using anything, I get zapped back to the main screen. No idea why. Is there a tap-combo that does this? I'm not hitting the (one and only) button.


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The same thing happened to me a couple of times, but I thought it was something I did. I guess not.


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That's an OS crash actually. A log gets written, and next time you sync with iTunes that log is sent to Apple (if you allow it).
Click to view sigma8's profile Member 575 posts since
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13. Jul 2, 2007 12:26 PM in response to: chiny
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Chiny,

I'm not an experienced user of fancy phones. I've had a Treo (several, they kept breaking--this is explains why I no longer have a Treo), and a cheapo motorola. I've never even set them up for speed dialing, so I'm not really a phone power user. To me, the fact you could get through your contact list with a Treo and dial a number in 3 + a couple button presses (first initial, second initial, up or down a couple times, then dial) was zippy to me.. Anyway, with that disclaimer out of the way:

I think the iphone has a relatively slow interface for getting to your contacts. When I turn on the phone, there's a good chance that the last thing I was doing on it was NOT using it as a phone, so I will have to push the menu button. Then I have to tap "phone", then I will most likely need to tap either keypad or contacts. Keypad works as well as you could hope. It is just a keypad after all. If I am calling someone in my addressbook, I tap Contact, obviously. The contact list is somewhat tedious to navigate. You can tap these TINY letters on the right-hand side to scroll quickly, or just scroll normally. The iPhone's interface is wonderful in terms of its skill in resolving the stubby-finger versus crystal-clear, tiny text interfaces...that said, it's imprecise. You'll never dial the wrong person by mistake, but you may have to spend extra seconds here and there adjusting your position to get the tap you need.

AFAIK, the mic does nothing right now except let you talk into it on a phone call.

For SMS's, the keyboard is useable, but I don't think it's as quick as a physical keyboard like you would find on a Blackberry or Treo.

I don't want to call the phone stuff "tacked on", because it is pretty thoughtful and it looks like they put a good deal of thought into it, however one gets the impression that the designers and engineers were most proud of the iPhone's more computer-like capabilities. The iPod, Safari.. The "Desktop" and overall UI.

While the contact list itself is little klugy, integration with other apps is good. Pretty much anywhere you see a phone number (except Safari, I think), you can tap it to call it.

Integration overall is very good, but it's finger-centric. If you are holding the phone in one hand, and using your other hand's index finger to interact with it...that's where this phone shines. It doesn't seem good for one-handed use, and I'd even say its thin, gripless, uniform edges seem designed more for the eye than for the hand that holds it up to your ear. Sometimes I fear it might slip. To make sure it doesn't, I have my pinky awkwardly placed underneath it as a safety measure.

I don't know if that's unbiased or not, but that's some critical opinion there for ya. I still think that the device is incredibly appealing, but more in a flashy "jack of all trades" sort of way. I don't think it beats the blackberry at messaging. Interestingly, it DOES beat a video ipod at video...assuming you can live with only 4 or 8 gigs. (3 or 7 after the OS footprint)

I'd say it's an extremely impressive first outing. And of course, the software is upgradeable, so I'm excited to see what they do with it.
Click to view sigma8's profile Member 575 posts since
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14. Jul 2, 2007 12:29 PM in response to: daveedvdv
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That's an OS crash actually. A log gets written, and next time you sync with iTunes that log is sent to Apple (if you allow it).

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Wow! Seriously?

That means it crashes more often than I thought...but, that is some zippy recovery! If only every crash on every system could recover so quickly.

Apple just invented the crash that you didn't even realize happened! That's a milestone, I'm sure!