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11 Replies Last post: Oct 18, 2007 12:25 PM by tracyvalleau  
Click to view MW Forums's profile New Member 12,220 posts since
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Oct 17, 2007 8:14 PM

How to: Upgrade a G5's optical drive

How to upgrade the optical drive on a first-generation Power Mac G5, and what kind of results you can expect after the upgrade. more
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Click to view michaelrmills's profile New Member 19 posts since
Feb 10, 2005
1. Oct 17, 2007 8:26 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: How to: Upgrade a G5's optical drive
A question that relates. Can Mac Pros accept an optical drive that has a SATA connection? What are the pros and cons to SATA vs. PATA (I think that is the correct terminology)?
Thanks
Click to view chrisgalen's profile New Member 7 posts since
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2. Oct 17, 2007 8:29 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: How to: Upgrade a G5's optical drive
I'm a film editor and I author DVD's. I put a Pioneer DVR-11 in my dual 1.8 G5. It originally had a Sony single-layer burner in it. It works fine. The only problem is that it doesn't totally open the door and eject a disk and I have to catch or it will close and load the disk again. I've been a Apple user for 20 years and having to eject a disk instead of hitting the button on the drive (like in Windows) along with the single button mouse is still awkward. First thing I do with a Apple mouse is throw it in the trash and hook up a Microsoft Explorer mouse.
Click to view chrisgalen's profile New Member 7 posts since
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3. Oct 17, 2007 8:33 PM in response to: michaelrmills
Re: How to: Upgrade a G5's optical drive
Pretty sure that MacPro's still use "IDE" connectors for their optical drives.
Click to view alsturan's profile New Member 5 posts since
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4. Oct 17, 2007 9:05 PM in response to: chrisgalen
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There are two unused (for now) SATA connectors on the logic board, somewhat close to the optical bays. I would presume one could connect an optical drive to it, but, that said, since I haven't done it (yet), I'm not certain of the chances of success.

I was actually considering upgrading the stock DVD-burner to a BluRay burner, but am still waiting for the format wars to pan out...
Click to view Philbert's profile Old Hand 2,357 posts since
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5. Oct 17, 2007 9:10 PM in response to: chrisgalen
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Pretty sure that MacPro's still use "IDE" connectors for their optical drives.

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Yep. And really, there's no reason to do otherwise. A SATA drive won't be any faster or perform better than PATA.
Click to view mrspleen's profile New Member 4 posts since
Oct 18, 2007
6. Oct 18, 2007 1:46 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: How to: Upgrade a G5's optical drive
Two things that should be noted:

1) With regard to the "Yes (Unsupported)" message in Apple System Profiler, that can easily be resolved with Patchburn (http://www.patchburn.de). It will create a burn support profile, and change ASP to say "Yes (Vendor Supported)."

2) If you're thinking of upgrading your own G5's optical drive, consider this when choosing a replacement brand. Apple used Sony, Pioneer and Toshiba drives. The Sony drives used a Phillips-head mounting screw with a thick collar. The Pioneer and Toshiba drives used a hex-head mounting screw with a thin collar. The result is that the Sony drives sit a little bit higher than the Pioneer and Toshiba drives, which is necessary for the tray to clear the top of the opening on the front of the case and to correctly operate the sliding door. If you have a Pioneer or Toshiba drive and get a replacement Sony drive, the mounting screws will result in the drive being mounted too high, and the tray will not clear the opening on the front of the case. Likewise, if you have a Sony drive and get a replacement Pioneer or Toshiba drive, the drive could be mounted too low, resulting in the tray hitting the sliding door incorrectly and getting stuck.

So I guess the simplest advice is to stick with the same brand of drive you have now when upgrading (though Pioneer and Toshiba are interchangeable).

Note that this does not apply to Mac Pros, only to G5s.

Adam
Click to view RiversideGuy's profile New Member 98 posts since
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7. Oct 18, 2007 9:16 AM in response to: MW Forums
Re: How to: Upgrade a G5's optical drive
"Cheap dual layer DVDs" is a oxymoron. Indeed it would be interesting to find out the why's but dual layer blank media has stayed consistently very high for the past 2-3 years of it's general availability.

Contrast this... SL DVD media typically runs around a quarter a piece ($0.25/disc). Yet a DL disc will run close to 8 times that, around the $1.80 to $2.00 mark... per disc. Thus, 2 SL discs can hold the same amount of data as a DL disc, so the cost is $0.50 vs. $1.75.
Click to view griffman's profile Macworld Editorial 8,043 posts since
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8. Oct 18, 2007 9:38 AM in response to: RiversideGuy
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I was discussing it relative to hard drive prices. Yes, SL is much cheaper. But it's also twice the work to split your files into smaller groups.

-rob.
Click to view lhudd's profile Member 319 posts since
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9. Oct 18, 2007 12:04 PM in response to: MW Forums
Re: How to: Upgrade a G5's optical drive
Your movie read was probably stuck at 4X because the drive is likely limited. Most DVD drives come with firmware locks to prevent you from ripping DVD movies at fast speeds. Most, by the way, are limited to 2X read for DVD movies. Some brands (e.g., LiteOn) come without the locks, so you can rip at full speed. Others, are hackable with firmware "upgrades" that allow the full speed. Upgrading on the Mac is more difficult because most firmware update programs are .exe programs. There's also a risk, i once bricked a brand new Pioneer DVR-107 trying to upgrade the firmware using an XP box.
Click to view lhudd's profile Member 319 posts since
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10. Oct 18, 2007 12:08 PM in response to: mrspleen
Re: How to: Upgrade a G5's optical drive
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Two things that should be noted:

2) If you're thinking of upgrading your own G5's optical drive, consider this when choosing a replacement brand.

So I guess the simplest advice is to stick with the same brand of drive you have now when upgrading (though Pioneer and Toshiba are interchangeable).


Adam

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When my similar vintage G5 dual started to burn more frisbees than I wanted, i upgraded using a kit from OWC. It fit perfectly and was only 10 bucks or so more than trying my own upgrade with a bare drive. The money was worth the easy upgrade experience.
Click to view tracyvalleau's profile New Member 30 posts since
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11. Oct 18, 2007 12:25 PM in response to: Philbert
Re: How to: Upgrade a G5's optical drive
SATA not any better... well, yes, there's no speed gain from SATA per se with opticals, since they are so slow, but that doesn't mean (and isn't the case) that newer, better drives, with greater speed and compatibility have not come out, and are SATA only. Consider the TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B (Samsung). http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Samsung-SH-S203B-DVD-Burner-Review


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