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Click to view MW Forums's profile New Member 12,220 posts since
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Nov 12, 2007 10:00 AM

Gibson turns to robotics for newest Les Paul guitar

The Gibson Les Paul is one of the world’s most recognized and popular guitars and now it is also one of the most technologically advanced, as well. On December 7, Gibson will release its first Les Paul that utilizes robotics to assist users in tuning and intonation. more
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Click to view Schneb's profile Enthusiast 1,313 posts since
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1. Nov 12, 2007 1:39 PM in response to: MW Forums
And if you have to ask...
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Pricing was not immediately available.

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...you can't afford it.

Check this out...
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/robotic-guitar-tuner-137648.php
Click to view BradPDX's profile New Member 36 posts since
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2. Nov 12, 2007 1:58 PM in response to: MW Forums
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Dang. I guess that playing guitar for 33 years and being able to tune by ear is just useless... not to mention that perfectly easy to use quartz tuners will let you turn your own knobs for about $25.

One last funny bit - for all the guitars I have owned over the years, my Gibsons (Les Pauls, ES335s, J-45) were all the worst for staying in tune, regardless of work done to them. The quality of the mahogany in the necks was simply substandard and unstable, even if they had (occasionally) good tone.

They are all gone now. The Martins and Fenders stay right in tune, don't need no stinkin' robot...
Click to view Jim Dalrymple's profile Macworld Editorial 225 posts since
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3. Nov 12, 2007 1:58 PM in response to: Schneb
Re: And if you have to ask...
I still want one
Click to view Damn_Its_Hot's profile New Member 24 posts since
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4. Nov 12, 2007 2:48 PM in response to: BradPDX
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The Martins and Fenders stay right in tune, don't need no stinkin' robot...

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Its all about cool and tone... I play and own all three plus a Parker Fly to boot (and the Parker stays in tune best). Its all about fun and experimenting - the ability to switch between tunings quickly would be neat (and I don't mean like the Jimmy Page model). Its all what your willing to pay for - my bet is that you will really pay for this one.
Click to view slinkyoz's profile New Member 5 posts since
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5. Nov 12, 2007 3:13 PM in response to: MW Forums
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Ridiculous and stupid. What a waste of effort!
Get yourself a Telecaster. Leo got it right the first time...
Click to view Pennywigeon's profile New Member 102 posts since
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6. Nov 12, 2007 3:45 PM in response to: slinkyoz
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I guess this is for those that got started by playing "Guitar Hero" instead of actually learning how to tune a guitar.

shaking head
Next will be a Les Paul with a MIDI controller for those that can't actually play one.
Click to view Jim Dalrymple's profile Macworld Editorial 225 posts since
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7. Nov 12, 2007 3:46 PM in response to: Damn_Its_Hot
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the ability to switch between tunings quickly would be neat

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I play quite a few alt tunings, so this will be very nice for me. Currently, I have several guitars all setup differently so I don't have to retune all the time.
Click to view Jim Dalrymple's profile Macworld Editorial 225 posts since
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8. Nov 12, 2007 3:48 PM in response to: Pennywigeon
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I guess this is for those that got started by playing "Guitar Hero" instead of actually learning how to tune a guitar.

shaking head
Next will be a Les Paul with a MIDI controller for those that can't actually play one.

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What about wanting to switch quickly to another tuning?
Click to view BradPDX's profile New Member 36 posts since
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9. Nov 12, 2007 5:19 PM in response to: Jim Dalrymple
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What about wanting to switch quickly to another tuning?

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If one is a competent player and has a decent electronic tuner, it only takes a moment to go from one tuning to another.

I usually do it by ear while talking with the audience when that is required. While I am sure the Gibson robo-tuners are faster, this really doesn't take more than a moment.

The other factor is setup. If I really want a guitar to work well in a tuning like DADGAD or open D, I really need to adjust the action and perhaps string gauges. Just being able to tune the instrument is often not sufficient. That is why having separate guitars for standard tuning, open tunings and slide is often critical if you really play a lot that way.

It is hard for me to see much value in solving a "problem" that isn't one.
Click to view adiaz28's profile New Member 1 posts since
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10. Nov 12, 2007 5:32 PM in response to: BradPDX
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I was just going to add that changing tunings without a proper set-up will not only affect the "playability" of the guitar but will also have a negative affect on the neck/fretboard's straightness or relief. As much as this sounds like a god-send, I would wait on the reviews(hopefully honest ones-no "strokers".....) before a purchase could ever be a possibility.
Click to view Schneb's profile Enthusiast 1,313 posts since
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11. Nov 12, 2007 5:56 PM in response to: Jim Dalrymple
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What about wanting to switch quickly to another tuning?

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What about in the near future playing your Gibson like a pedal steel? How hard would it be to use a foot pedal to change between tunings as you press the pedal? Using a steel slide, it would make for some great sounding riffs with a little practice and technique. I'm just as much a purist as the next guy, but man, let's not look past the possibilities!
Click to view sheldonc's profile New Member 55 posts since
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12. Nov 12, 2007 6:38 PM in response to: MW Forums
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What an odd idea. I hope it can hold a tune if the robotics decide to die in the middle of a concert. Hope Taylor doesn't decide to try this.

Most pro guitar players who need to change tuning frequently will have separate guitars, and even separate makes. One guitar that sounds great in standard tune may not hold up so well in double D tuning. I saw Tom Petty doing an solo concert a while ago and he had no less than 12 guitars on stage. Several of them were dupes of each other (in case of tuning or string break). When he changed songs, he just grabbed another guitar.

Most everyday guitar players I know don't mess with open tunings or D tunings. I rarely do, myself.
Click to view bynkii's profile Member 341 posts since
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13. Nov 12, 2007 9:16 PM in response to: MW Forums
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It's not that it allows you to do minor tuning changes on the fly, it's that you can do radically different tunings within a second or so, and not have to futz with it as much. For example, the Transperformance system can retune at about a step per second, and you can store over two hundred different tunings along with over a hundred 'standard' presets. If you don't ever need anything but standard tuning, then sure, it's a waste. But if you do a lot of playing within different tunings, particularly live, not having to change guitars, or vamp while you retune doesn't suck.

The whole "in my day, we tuned by ear while our teachers beat us" thing is just silly. It only makes tuning faster and easier. Ya still gotta play.
Click to view AtomicPunk's profile New Member 31 posts since
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14. Nov 12, 2007 10:13 PM in response to: BradPDX
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I tune by ear and also and dare I say it, I use a freaking Tuning fork... yeah talk about old school. Don't ask me why, I just never got around to buying a tuner... lol. Not to mention I have Apps that can squeeze out an A=440 if I really needed to.

But, I digress.

Dude, I am not really big on Gibson either, and while I like the Les Paul, I still like the SG better. However, I own Fender myself. I just think they're better all around. BUT, I really think you missed some other fascinating points of why someone would like a guitar like this. See, not only does it tune on the fly. It also makes intonation a lot easier, by telling you how many half turns you may need "clockwise or counter clockwise". Yeah, great for touring, and even experimenting on action, etc. If you've ever wanted to go that route, but couldn't because you didn't have the resources to apply it.

But, it gets better. In a couple of steps, it can very quickly, retune your guitar to select group of open tunings. That's cool.

Now, while I still see your point and feel that it should be part of anyones music education that we learn certain aspects of our instruments and stay true to the old school methodology. Being able to get to other experimental tunings that quickly, well that's just freaking great. It is usually an exhaustive process that it makes playing around with tunings a task that is not always gratifying. I mean, I don't want to go soft on ya, but c'mon, that feature would be cool, even on a Strat! In fact, I wouldn't mind if at least one of my Strats could do that.