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Click to view ateichman's profile New Member 2 posts since
Jan 17, 2008
30. Jan 17, 2008 6:35 PM in response to: JC Garrett
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
A shot in the dark...

The 5th Gen iPod may not support the 30-day/24-hour delete function. Newer models would.

Just a thought.
Click to view Liana1434's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jan 17, 2008
31. Jan 17, 2008 7:29 PM in response to: Macworld
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
Love the option to rent, but the price seems a bit steep for only 24 hours. Should consider lowering the price or extending the 24 hour period to 48 or 72.....in my opinion.
Click to view artMonster's profile New Member 12 posts since
Jun 24, 2007
32. Jan 17, 2008 7:29 PM in response to: MorrisTheCat
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
Interesting question about the file being deleted or not. When transfered, are there two copies, but one is unplayable? Also, what happens when you use Time Machine? Does it ignore rental files or is there a copy backed up that you can restore? Anybody play around with this yet?
Click to view ateichman's profile New Member 2 posts since
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33. Jan 17, 2008 7:49 PM in response to: artMonster
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
I read on one of the Apple pages that "Movie rentals disappear when they expire, so they won’t take up storage space." That would point to auto-deletion, either in the moment, or the next time you connect to iTunes.
Click to view ithos67's profile New Member 9 posts since
Apr 6, 2007
34. Jan 17, 2008 8:57 PM in response to: JC Garrett
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
JC Garrett wrote:

Since I had to watch the movie on my computer I thought I could at least use FrontRow. I have a new MacBook Pro running Leopard. I turned on FrontRow, navigated to "Movies" and was disappointed that my rented movie was not listed; only the movies I bought (well, and burned into iTunes). X-(

Until Apple makes this service more available to folks like us, I don't see myself using it much. :_|


Here's something to try. (I haven't gone all the way yet, since I'm not ready to pull the pin on the 24-hour grenade for my rental.) I noticed that if I copy the rental video file to my "Movies" folder, it shows up in Front Row. Don't know if it will play that way, or not. I'll be trying it out tomorrow night.

What really sucks is that movies I rent on my iMac aren't visible to any of the other Macs on my network through iTunes sharing. So for those of us who have a main Mac serving an iTunes library to laptops or Minis, the situation stinks.
Click to view gaefstan's profile New Member 53 posts since
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35. Jan 17, 2008 9:00 PM in response to: Macworld
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
Seems the chief complaint is the 24 hr limitation. Recently rented a Pay-per-View movie on DirecTV. Cost? - $3.99 Viewing limitation? Can watch as many times as I can from 6 AM to 5:59 AM the next day. If I rent it that night I still only have until 5:59 AM to watch it so I guess it depends on what you're use to as to its value.
Secondly, I was able to watch a movie as it downloaded and only had one hiccup as it played probably due to me stopping and restarting the movie (that's when it jumped). Mine is a cable modem that usually runs at about 2 Mbps. Worked fine thru the rest of the movie.
Click to view ithos67's profile New Member 9 posts since
Apr 6, 2007
36. Jan 17, 2008 9:01 PM in response to: ateichman
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
ateichman wrote:
A shot in the dark...

The 5th Gen iPod may not support the 30-day/24-hour delete function. Newer models would.

But unless there is a hardware limitation, it's a "simple" matter of a firmware update.
Click to view ithos67's profile New Member 9 posts since
Apr 6, 2007
37. Jan 18, 2008 7:32 AM in response to: Macworld
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
Apple's updated Terms of Service answers a few questions, but raises many more (some of which have already been posted to this discussion):
(xiv) Movie Rentals:

(aa) Movies are viewable only on your Mac or Windows computer (using iTunes 7.6 or later), iPhone, video-enabled iPod (iPod touch, iPod nano (3rd generation), or iPod classic), or on TVs using your Apple TV. Movies in high definition resolution (HD) are viewable only on TVs using your Apple TV and must be downloaded directly to your Apple TV. Movies are viewable only on one device at a time.

Ka-ching! The iTunes Store has always been about selling iPods (and now Apple TVs). My 5^th^ generation iPod won't cut it.

(bb) You must be connected to the Service when moving or streaming movies. Once a movie is moved, it is no longer viewable on the sending device. You may only move movies to another device from your Mac or Windows computer. Movies downloaded directly to your Apple TV may not be moved.

What's with the "moving or streaming"? It states that you have to transfer the rental before you can view it on another device, so there's no "streaming" going on.

The "must be connected to the Service" means that you won't be able to watch rentals on a laptop during a flight, for example.

It also appears that users have no way of viewing it in a different location (another Mac, Apple TV, or iPod) when it's downloaded directly to an Apple TV. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

(cc) You have thirty (30) days after downloading a movie to begin viewing. Once you begin viewing, you have twenty-four (24) hours to view the movie (the “Viewing Period”). You may view the movie an unlimited number of times during the Viewing Period. Movies are not viewable after the thirty (30) day period. Stopping, pausing or restarting a movie does not extend the available time for viewing.

(dd) If you move a movie to an iPod or iPhone and then use the Service to restore the iPod or iPhone before you finish watching it, the movie will be deleted and will not be recoverable. This also applies to choosing Settings > Reset > Erase all content and settings on iPod touch and iPhone.

So once it's moved to an iPod, can I move it back? (Actually, I can't... since I own a 5^th^ generation iPod.)

(ee) Broadband Internet connection required.

Duh!

Immediately after the rental section is the following:

(xv) HDMI. An HDCP connection is required in order to view movies (purchased or rented) and TV shows transmitted over HDMI.

This may be part of what's behind the HD-on-Apple-TV-only issue. With a computer and a DVI connection, you have means of digitally copying HD programming. Sure, you can do it with SD, but perhaps the studios put their foot down on HD.
Click to view fromthehills's profile New Member 2 posts since
Jan 17, 2008
38. Jan 17, 2008 9:44 PM in response to: Uncommon
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
good point
Click to view whatproblems's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jan 18, 2008
39. Jan 18, 2008 1:09 AM in response to: Macworld
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
yea, i use Redbox for my movie rentals... $1 a night... and every monday i get a free rental (found some link online where i entered my cell # and they text me a code that i enter and get that free rental)

and from there i just use DVD Decrypter and Videora and put it on my ipod touch...

idk, stupid as hell to rent a movie for $4 bucks, and you basically only have it for 1 day... bad move apple... unlimited monthly rentals = the way to go....
Click to view pejobass's profile New Member 3 posts since
Aug 8, 2007
40. Jan 18, 2008 11:15 AM in response to: trip1ex
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals

Hi,

I agree 100%. For me and my wife, with a baby of 6 months, is basically impossible to watch a movie in one take in 24 hours. We usually have to break the movie down in 2 or even 3 evenings. This is a very common problem for families with kids. I can't believe that Apple missed such an important aspect of the rental-crowd...


I hope that they will change it to at least 48 hours.


Andrea

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Jan 18, 2008
41. Jan 18, 2008 4:46 PM in response to: Macworld
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
I for one will certainly NOT rent a movie from Apple that gives me only 24 hours in which to view it. It's simply dumb. Things come up, and plans (like watching a movie tonight) change, and then there's work tomorrow, so I'll certainly not be interested in movie rentals from Apple as long as the watch time is 1/3 the time granted by a company (Blockbuster) which has been an industry standard for over two decades. Uninterested.
Click to view DisabledTrucker's profile Member 232 posts since
Aug 1, 2007
42. Jan 19, 2008 4:33 AM in response to: Macworld
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
My only major complaints about this Movie service is that I cannot access it from Front Row and what I can access with iTunes on my iMac, doesn't include the HD titles. On top of that I learned that the HD titles will only be available for Movie titles, not TV shows. I also seen complaints on iTunes that people are perturbed that they can't purchase first run movies before the DVD's been released, this to me is highly understandable and was mentioned in the keynote in how they would work, the rest wasn't. I believe the rest will ultimately go over as well as the $20 update to the iPod Touch did in the Keynote... (Noted how quiet the audience was, you could hear a frog fart from the pond outside, when Steve paused after mentioning that.)

The HD not available for all iTunes users is a deal breaker in my opinion though, seriously you've got a choice either pay at least ~$300 extra to get an Apple TV or do without. The Apple TV isn't even as powerful as the Mini, let alone the iMac and you can't even transfer the HD movies to them either. Although this may well be due to the fact that then people would notice how badly the picture quality of the 720p movies truly are. Still you should have the option of obtaining them through the Intel Mac's at least, or even make it a Leopard only feature on them for that matter. That could be yet another incentive to entice the other ~80% to upgrade to Leopard. Steve did say they had another 50 weeks left to go, so we could theoretically see a merging of the iTunes and Front Row apps in the future that does just that, called iStudio and allow for plug-ins for the front end to accept tuners and widgets.

After viewing the 720p HD version of the Keynote, full screen on my 24" iMac, and if that's any indication of how those HD movies are going to look, they can keep them. I do better than that when converting movies from DVD's, (let alone from the native 1080 DV cameras such as they were using to film that with,) then that keynote looked, and I'm by far from any kind of expert in it. Granted the experts in the movie houses will most likely be doing the encoding instead of some geek at Apple, but still to compromise the quality, which they will more than likely have to do so it can be streamed at T1 speeds, your not really going to be even getting the full quality 720p video and that's what's going to make it not even worth it.

Granted, I could conceive of paying $4-5 US for a movie that is currently playing at the theaters, to "rent it" if it's at theater quality but, not for just 24 hours, and especially if I can't watch it where and on what I want to watch it. ("Theater quality" means at a minimum 720p and 5.1 surround sound, and preferably with video quality at 1080i/p though.) Although, the 30 day limit seems reasonable, (unless your in a natural disaster that wipes out your home, in which case, you've got bigger problems to worry about than watching movies.) In fact they could probably cut the 30 day limit in half or even by a third to increase the watching time to at least 3 days, which is what the minimum is for DVD rentals. Granted the argument against it is that at the theaters you only have the time slot for which you purchased the ticket but, you also shouldn't have all the quirks with watching a movie at home such as the doorbell and/or telephone ringing mid movie either.

Maybe by the time they release the Apple TV, they will have a change of heart about their HD releases only on it and only for Movies but, it's doubtful at this point.
Click to view fluffers's profile New Member 30 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
43. Jan 19, 2008 6:18 AM in response to: ithos67
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
ithos67 wrote:
Apple's updated Terms of Service answers a few questions, but raises many more (some of which have already been posted to this discussion):
(bb) You must be connected to the Service when moving or streaming movies. Once a movie is moved, it is no longer viewable on the sending device. You may only move movies to another device from your Mac or Windows computer. Movies downloaded directly to your Apple TV may not be moved.

What's with the "moving or streaming"? It states that you have to transfer the rental before you can view it on another device, so there's no "streaming" going on.

The "must be connected to the Service" means that you won't be able to watch rentals on a laptop during a flight, for example.

As I understand it, you don't have to be connected to the Service when watching, just when moving or streaming (streaming is when you watch it during its initial download). Therefore, you would be able to watch it on a laptop on a flight.

-Fluffers
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Nov 17, 2006
44. Jan 19, 2008 6:39 AM in response to: owlmouth
Re: First Look: iTunes movie rentals
I agree, I'm partially deaf (45% of hearing loss), so for me is a must, everybody in my house demands to lower the volume of my TV, they are in their right because they don't want to be annoyed with the screams of an action flick. And susbtitles is a must too, I'm not a native english speaker (I'm colombian), although I speak and writes english, if the movie doesn' have CC the subtitles can help me anyway, not all actors are full front camera so I can read their lips!!!