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Click to view Bruce8's profile New Member 56 posts since
Jun 27, 2004
165. Jan 18, 2008 8:52 AM in response to: MacosNerd
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
I too think no Ethernet is a terrible design flaw.
Yes, they make an adapter - but what does that leave you with:
Pay an extra $30, and now use the USB port for Ethernet. But wait, now there is no more USB port, so forget about using a flash drive or any other USB device.
Will the Ethernet work through an USB hub adapter? I don't know.
But if it does, that means more money for a hub, a second dongle device hanging off of what was apparently supposed to be an 'elegant smooth' device.
But my experience with using USB hubs on laptops is that sometimes they don't work for a particular device, or they need more power than the port puts out. So that means buy a power adapter (since there is no second USB to draw for power on those Y-cord hubs), further klunking up their simple design.

Apple, you took out too much that real people need, in order to satisfy your 'elegant', thin design ethic.
IMO, the end user is left with too little.
So all this means very small market audience.
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Jan 18, 2008
166. Jan 18, 2008 12:44 PM in response to: Macworld
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
I think what people are failing to see is that this machine is not meant to be your main computer. It is meant to augment an already existing network or computer for extreme portability. The price is great seeing the engineering feat which was accomplished. I will wait to buy one until I see the benchmarks and consumer comments. But it looks like something worth trying.
Click to view greg30307's profile New Member 23 posts since
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167. Jan 19, 2008 7:49 AM in response to: KPO'M
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
KPO'M wrote:


Compare instead the MacBook Air with other ultraportables, in other words, compare it with its own peers. If you do that, you'll see that the MacBook Air is a good value and reasonably priced.

Why is everyone keep comparing the MacBook Air with all the other MacBooks. This is Apples and Oranges.

Agreed. PC Magazine also finds the MacBook Air reasonaby priced:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2249834,00.asp

Oddly enough, the PC community seems more excited about this product than the Mac faithful. Perhaps its because Apple hasn't been a player in the subnotebook market for quite a while, and Mac users aren't as familiar with all the tradeoffs that Windows subnotebook users are used to.

and

veggiedude:

"Why is everyone keep comparing the MacBook Air with all the other MacBooks. This is Apples and Oranges.

Compare instead the MacBook Air with other ultraportables, in other words, compare it with its own peers. If you do that, you'll see that the MacBook Air is a good value and reasonably priced."

(sorry I do not know how to quote more than one person--someone please tell me how to do that)

KPO'M and veggiedude,

I am very familiar with the PC offerings in this segment of the notebook market and that is why I am so disheartened. All the PC offerings have what is missing from the MBA for many of us: sufficient ports to be practical for a lot of people. I am glad for those of you who can use the MBA. But I need a subnotebook that can double as my desktop and that can be used in places where I do not have easy access to wifi (which is almost everywhere for me).

What Apple is saying is that they are only interested in people who are affluent enough (or have great expense accounts) that an $1800 machine can be your second computer and who travel in circles where wifi is ubiquitous.

In the PC world that you say some of us do not know, one can have a very lightweight notebook that can in fact be one's only computer if you only do what 90% of the world does on a computer and that can be taken and set up anywhere. And even $2000 or so for such a machine is still much cheaper than $1800 for MBA + $1200 and more for the second Mac.

So, again, for those for whom the MBA fits, great for you. But, please, do not think some of the rest of us do not know what is available in the PC world and, since we do know what is available, why we are greatly disappointed that it continues to not be available from Apple.
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168. Jan 19, 2008 11:03 AM in response to: veggiedude
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
veggiedude wrote:

Compare instead the MacBook Air with other ultraportables, in other words, compare it with its own peers. If you do that, you'll see that the MacBook Air is a good value and reasonably priced.

Firstly, you completely missed the point of my post - nowhere have I commented on the value of the MB Air.

Secondly, you might not like it if I compared the MB Air with it's peers, such as the ThinkPad X60, because then you may see just how crippled the MB Air really is.

veggiedude wrote:

Once again, here is PC Worlds last months top ten:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/123867-1/article.html

I actually have a lot of experience with ultraportables from Lenovo, Sony and Fujitsu, but thanks for the pointer anyway.

Peter
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Jan 19, 2008
169. Jan 19, 2008 8:52 PM in response to: Argent
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
I'm bothered by the internalised battery, too. Lot of money for a computer which, at best, is going to need a doubtless expensive factory service after 18 months.
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Jan 19, 2008
170. Jan 19, 2008 8:58 PM in response to: icerabbit
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
Seconded. Compared with my TiBook, the screen on my MacBook is... disappointing. Natively a 6bit/chan panel, awful viewing angle (worse than my Dell Inspiron...) and not enough pixels to be exciting in any way. And a nasty glossy finish. I'm really missing the 1920x1200 15" screen on my now-deceased Dell. But c.f. the Macbook, the Titanium G4 powerbook is Display Heaven. I rather hope the "Air" has a better display.
Click to view Rokcet Scientist's profile New Member 2 posts since
Jan 15, 2008
171. Jan 19, 2008 9:17 PM in response to: carlwilliams
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
Don't worry about the battery. This time it can be swapped with just a Phillips screwdriver, in 20 seconds.
Click to view NW_Mike's profile New Member 116 posts since
Nov 19, 2004
172. Jan 19, 2008 10:37 PM in response to: Rokcet Scientist
Re: swap battery in 20 sec.
Well I don't know about that...

The main issue I and others have is that you can't carry a spare to use on the road. It would suck to have to stop working because you can't swap batteries & don't have access to a power source. I can't see breaking out the screwdriver and opening the MBA to swap batteries in mid-flight. Heck you'd probably get accosted for being a terrorist these days.

This is the only real deal killer for me, what do you do?


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Click to view Bruce8's profile New Member 56 posts since
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173. Jan 20, 2008 11:46 AM in response to: carlwilliams
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
re. the comment that one person hopes the MacBook Air has a better screen.

(my other comments above point out some of the shortcomings or missing items ...)

I did a hands on with the MacBook Air at the Expo show floor. And I can say that the screen quality is much better than the last iteration of the MacBooks.

That is, even though the screen is still glossy (not my favorite), the clarity of the new OLED is very good, and better yet: the off-axis viewing of the OLED is far superior to the last macbook (which really yellows when you get off-axis).
Click to view carlwilliams's profile New Member 4 posts since
Jan 19, 2008
174. Jan 21, 2008 3:44 AM in response to: Rokcet Scientist
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
Don't worry about the battery. This time it can be swapped with just a Phillips screwdriver, in 20 seconds.

This is good news, indeed, but I still have the same issue as NW_Mike - last time I tried (by mistake) to take a Phillips screwdriver on a 'plane, the earnest young chap at the security desk took it off me. Along with some expensive precision pliers. (Never did get them back, despite assurances that they'd be in lost property to collect when I got back - mysteriously vanished, presumably into the security dude's pocket.) Bizarrely, they have no problem with taking, say, a sharp, steel barrelled propelling pencil onboard, so if you really want to stab people, go for one of those. Maybe they're afraid you'll dismantle the aircraft with a small screwdriver? Or your Macbook? But I digress...

I guess the "changing battery in mid flight" issue only applies to us skinflints who travel steerage - business class seats have power available. So it's arguably down to target audience again. I'm sure they'll sell enough of them. Me, I'll go for an ultra-portable for The Rest Of Us (TM) :-) (and wait for the next gen one in hopes it has more ports and more advantages).

Given the premium price of the Air, justified by its being ultra-portable and very slick and cute, I really don't see why Apple haven't included at least one other USB port and a mini firewire port - even a FW400/iLink would make perfect sense, since then you could use target disc mode etc. and stream video from the ultra-compact hard-disc HD video camcorder (which you doubtless have if you're in the "must have a shiny new gadget" section of the market). Even my partner's plaything eeepc seems somehow more useable, the more I think about it - that has 3 USB ports and an ethernet port, weighs a pound less, can be used in a cramped airline seat, can be fitted with an internal modem, has a quick-swappable battery and only costs 200 quid, so it's not such a disaster if someone nicks it. (Also, you can't get so many confidential government records on its 4G drive... though it's possible, with screwdriver and soldering iron, to fit 32G of SSD inside an eeepc (along with bluetooth & GPS) for a hell of a lot less than an extra grand.)

I like my titanium G4. I like my MacBook. Won't be buying an Air, though, not even if a sudden spare couple of grand comes my way. It's just not small enough to justify the price and compromises. More or less the same footprint as my MacBook, and I'd save what, the thickness and weight of a glossy magazine, but I'd lose all the ports, the swappable battery, the decent sized hard drive and probably also the robustness (I don't trust aluminium cases not to dent or bend). And it would cost me a load more. The Air doesn't have enough "wow" even to be desirable just for the bling, to my mind. Make it a quarter inch thick all over, a bit smaller footprint and give it a deep-colour 1920x1200 display, then I'd say they could leave off all the ports and charge twice as much and I'd still want one. But as-is, so what? It's a PDA in a huge case with a glowing apple on it.

On the plus side, good to hear they've improved the screen over the MacBook - the glossy-screened MacBook is a recent low in Mac laptop screen quality. I know it's their "cheap" option, but I didn't expect the same LCD panel as a 400 quid Acer. (I much prefer my TiBook for visual stuff, although the MacBook leaves it for dead performance-wise.)
Click to view moose_n_squirrel's profile Old Hand 2,860 posts since
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175. Jan 21, 2008 10:16 AM in response to: carlwilliams
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
carlwilliams wrote:
I guess the "changing battery in mid flight" issue only applies to us skinflints who travel steerage - business class seats have power available. So it's arguably down to target audience again. I'm sure they'll sell enough of them. Me, I'll go for an ultra-portable for The Rest Of Us (TM) :-) (and wait for the next gen one in hopes it has more ports and more advantages).

That actually makes sense. The replacement for the second battery is the MagSafe Airline Power Adapter.

Some will say "But my seats never have power!" to which the answer is, the MacBook Air is designed and priced for those who have more than enough money for everything. I would never recommend the MacBook Air to anyone on a budget. The whole design assumes you have "more" somewhere else. More money for a better seat class with power ports. A second, more powerful Mac as the base for all your files, peripherals, and ports, and the CPU power for heavy lifting. Regular access to fast WiFi. You simply cannot do the MacBook Air and expect to live on the cheap.

StevenBallmer wrote:
A Little Too Powerful: Do these people ever think of the safety of the public? I expected a Celeron, a Core-duo will fry this thing. I have no doubt that this thing will double as a heat-pad!

Your lack of faith is disturbing. All reports are that it is a cool machine. I stopped by the MacBook Air demo table at Macworld and overheard a user talking to the Apple rep about heat. The Apple rep was saying "Yup, it runs pretty cool, you can feel it. It's been on since about 9:30 this morning." It was the middle of the afternoon.
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Sep 16, 2004
176. Jan 21, 2008 10:21 AM in response to: carlwilliams
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
carlwilliams wrote:
I guess the "changing battery in mid flight" issue only applies to us skinflints who travel steerage - business class seats have power available. So it's arguably down to target audience again. I'm sure they'll sell enough of them.

That actually makes sense. The replacement for the second battery is the MagSafe Airline Power Adapter.

Some will say "But my seats never have power!" to which the answer is, the MacBook Air is designed and priced for those who have more than enough money for everything. I would never recommend the MacBook Air to anyone on a budget. The whole design assumes you have "more" somewhere else. More money for a better seat class with power ports. A second, more powerful Mac as the base for all your files, peripherals, and ports, and the CPU power for heavy lifting. Regular access to fast WiFi. And most of all, enough money to buy an entirely new MacBook Air sooner than you would have to replace any other Mac, simply because the industry will outrun the low specs sooner than usual. You simply cannot do the MacBook Air and expect to live on the cheap. MacBook Air is not a Digital Hub. It is a digital terminal.

StevenBallmer wrote:
A Little Too Powerful: Do these people ever think of the safety of the public? I expected a Celeron, a Core-duo will fry this thing. I have no doubt that this thing will double as a heat-pad!

Your lack of faith is disturbing. All reports are that it is a cool machine. I stopped by the MacBook Air demo table at Macworld and overheard a user talking to the Apple rep about heat. The Apple rep was saying "Yup, it runs pretty cool, you can feel it. It's been on since about 9:30 this morning." It was the middle of the afternoon.
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Jan 21, 2008
177. Jan 21, 2008 2:28 PM in response to: Macworld
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
I have been out of a computer for a year now, sold my iBook G4 December 2006, I've been waiting for a while to purchase a notebook suitable for my needs. I think I have found it: 3 pounds, full size screen and keyboard, the new OSX software, and of course cool factor sexiness. I mostly browse the net, type and type and type. It goes great with my best friend's MacBook if we watch movies or I need to load a program. I believe this notebook will do, of course it's spending $400 more but it's so cool! =/
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178. Jan 21, 2008 6:33 PM in response to: surfguitarshredder
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
So you see the tablet market opening up a new niche in the black market counterfieting of text books!?? And this you say is the reason why kids will buy these machines? HAHAHAAHAHAAAAHHAAAHAHH!

Welcome to FelonyFraud University...where advanced technology inspires young minds to do unthinkable things.

Gawd... this makes me wanna PUKE... I don't know where you went to college but clearly it was community 2yr vo-tech skool where they don't teech Bid-nis Ethics!!! At Rutgers Univ. where I attended, the prestigious Rutgers School Of Law is on the same campus and the notion of undergrads pimping pirated text books to pay their way into law school is funny...too funny dude!

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179. Jan 23, 2008 12:34 PM in response to: Macworld
Re: Apple introduces MacBook Air
pb12 wrote:
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