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13 Replies Last post: Jan 31, 2008 1:45 PM by adobephile  
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Jan 30, 2008 11:38 AM

Older AirPort may cause networking issues with MacBook Air

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Click to view zensunni's profile Member 238 posts since
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1. Jan 30, 2008 12:03 PM in response to: Macworld
Re: Older AirPort may cause networking issues with MacBook Air
quoteHowever, some older base stations using the draft specification may implement what Apple calls a “wide” channel in the 2.4GHz range that could interfere with the MacBook Air, which conforms to more recent draft specifications.

If this happens to you, Apple recommends changing your older base station to use the 5GHz channels or upgrade your base station to a newer model.[/quote]

Even better would be to provide a firmware update for these older base stations. They're still under warranty (if only through 3 yr AppleCare), and if the draft specs are changing, there's no reason they shouldn't be keeping them up-to-date with the current spec.
Click to view lwdesign's profile Member 462 posts since
Sep 28, 2005
2. Jan 30, 2008 3:03 PM in response to: Macworld
Re: Older AirPort may cause networking issues with MacBook Air
Yes, why doesn't Apple simply offer a downloadable firmware update for older Airport Extremes? Shouldn't this be a relatively easy fix? It's rather a black eye that Apple's own earlier product should have difficulty working with the new Air--and how does one actually check to see which earlier model(s) of the Extreme are potentially troublesome? How about a "for serial numbers XXXX12345 or earlier" or some such delineation? This would be helpful so we early "n" adopters can stop wondering whether we have a problem or not.
Click to view TheBoyKen's profile New Member 161 posts since
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3. Jan 30, 2008 5:10 PM in response to: Macworld
Re: Older AirPort may cause networking issues with MacBook Air
You can't use 5GHz in the UK can you? (or maybe this extends to the whole of Europe)... I thought we could only enable 2.4GHz over here...
Click to view nmpike's profile Member 352 posts since
Feb 13, 2004
4. Jan 30, 2008 8:56 PM in response to: Macworld
Re: Older AirPort may cause networking issues with MacBook Air
I'm getting very close to saying "screw apple". I've been loyal... not only have I purchased Mac for my friends and family over the last 5-6 years, I have also purchased over $10 million dollars in equipment from Apple for my employer.

Apple gets more greedy every time they come out with something. First was the iPod 80GB, and making me re-buy all my games. Then comes the iPod touch, and forcing those people who bought it to pay $20 for an upgrade (I have the iPhone, so it doesnt affect me, but still, the iPod touch people got shafted)... THEN, they tell us that we can use Time Machine with an AIR DISK with Leopard... but, low and behold, Apple says you CANNOT use an airport with a USB drive with Time Machine....

All the sudden, LOOK, apple sells an airport with a built in drive you CAN use with time machine, yet craps on all of us who bought the latest AirPort so we could use it with Leopard.... if they can make it work with Time Capsule, they sure as hell can make it work with AirPort, but they won't... true there are work arounds, but is isnt supported.

NOW, for those of us who bought the AirPort and MacBook Air, they are saying we have to buy a NEW airport?

SCREW THAT!

We have another 8.5 million dollar purchase pending for Apple... and when it comes across my desk, I may just use the DENY button this time around.

Apple is turning in to another Microsoft. Innovate and make money - yes. Screw you customers in the process... no.

It's not just me either... we typically sell about 300 iphones per month to clients... in January, that dropped to about 50 because people now have the attitude of "Apple is getting greedy, and I don't trust them to support this iPhone when they get a new product." And I had to agree with them because of what I wrote above.

Apple, you aren't anywhere near ready to start screwing customers over... you are on an uphill climb, don't ruin it by screwing us over. For the first time in 5 years I told someone to go buy a decent Sony laptop and load Linux instead of a MacBook....

I'm not alone in this, just from the messages on here, I think we are all getting fed up with Apple's crap!

mike
Click to view lwdesign's profile Member 462 posts since
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5. Jan 30, 2008 9:22 PM in response to: nmpike
Re: Older AirPort may cause networking issues with MacBook Air
While I don't know exactly what you've gone through Mike, my experience with Apple over the last 17 years has been overwhelmingly positive, with just a few aggravations. Apple's track record is exemplary when compared with my experiences with Microsoft Windows, which I why I continue to use Macs.

Apple occasionally makes what I consider are bone-headed moves, but fortunately they are the exception rather than the rule. The non-replaceable battery, lack of ports and lack of Superdrive on the new Air is an example of, in my opinion, bad moves on Apple's part, but sales will tell the story of whether it's something people want. I would have preferred to simply see a 12" MacBook Pro with full functionality.

Apple definitely needs to take care of its installed base and not make too many "overly consumer-oriented" moves--and needs to make sure its technology continues to be intuitive and logical. Seems like it would have been relatively simple to make Air work with older Extremes by a downloadable firmware update, although I'm not a programmer and it may be impossible. However, when stuff like this happens, Apple needs to announce broadly it so that it doesn't come as a rude surprise.

As for Time Machine not being able to work via a USB-connected drive to the Airport Extreme--I have no clue why they haven't been able to make this work. Surely they could put one or two of their bright programmers onto the project and work up a solution, preferably fixable by a firmware update.

Yes, Apple doesn't do everything right, but fortunately they've done remarkably well when you consider the awful alternative we'd have to experience living in a Windows world. Try living without your Mac for a week and only using your Windows machine(s). You'll be a certifiable head case in just a few days.
Click to view adobephile's profile Member 557 posts since
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6. Jan 31, 2008 6:31 AM in response to: nmpike
Re: Older AirPort may cause networking issues with MacBook Air
Man, I'm glad I don't work for your company, if someone as emotionally over the top as you is at the purchasing approval reins .

You call it "greedy" and "screwing us". I call it expansion, like any individual or company needs to do aggressively in order to survive. There's also no creation without some destruction. Unless you've been deaf and blind you should be able to recall many other "hiccups" Apple has made and/or encountered over the years, and they all get resolved one way or the other.

Go ahead and jump ship, but it's throwing the baby out with the bath water, and your employees will condemn you for it.
Click to view leicaman's profile Enthusiast 1,151 posts since
Dec 4, 2003
7. Jan 31, 2008 5:09 AM in response to: nmpike
Re: Older AirPort may cause networking issues with MacBook Air
Mike, some of your complaints are right on and some aren't.

Apple warned people when they bought early Airports that it was a draft specification. Someone with your knowledge should know what that means. There will be some challenges for early adopters. Give them some time to come up with a fix. Shoot, just producing textbooks makes my group at work years. I can imagine the pressure Apple programmers are under when something like this comes up.

As for the iPod Touch, you have to remember, it's a software update for the iPhone, but this is new software for the Touch. Several applications it didn't have before. And there are accounting rules that apply to one that don't apply to the other.

And when I get mad at Apple for some boneheaded move, and I consider going elsewhere, the question comes up - to whom shall I go?

No chance I'm going to Microsoft or Linux. I am a heavy-duty Photoshop user. And when you consider that 8-million dollar purchase, just imagine who you're hurting with a stroke of a pen. I for one as an employee who would be denied the use of a Mac because you don't like a $20 charge for new software on the Touch (plus the other aggravating circumstances that are legit, but manageable) I would lose a heck of a lot of respect for your judgement, and be very, very, very mad that you forced me to use a PC for no good reason.


Eric

There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence. - Will Rogers

Click to view Jim Manderscheid's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jan 31, 2008
8. Jan 31, 2008 6:09 AM in response to: Macworld
Re: MacBook Wi-Fi compatibility up in Air
Nonetheless, Apple still needs to respect and listen to it's user base. Too many "bone-head" moves by Apple could set Apple back to a "Time Capsule" called the "Schindler" era. And we know how screwed up Apple was under his misguidance.

With the rise of China's economy and the fall of the U.S. economy (yes, even the government is using the word, depression) Perhaps it would be wise for Apple to entrench their products with more reliability and continuity. Also maybe it is time to push the MacMini's low cost...or make an entry level MacMini more affordable during a time of economic crisis. When the consumer dollar becomes harder to part with, maybe it would be wise to provide lower pricing for the consumer to make an Apple decision.

I know innovation is what drives a new market (I've had a few designs in my past too,(...ie. Xerox/PARC alumi, invention of SCSI, Supermac's DataFrame SCSI controller, 10% of the Intel P5 design, 25% of the Sun SPARC10, EEC4, and many more.) But the bottom line is keeping the choices simple for the customer. Product appeal, innovation,, reliability, and consumer pricing. Which Apple has done very well since Steve got back. But the future economy may inhibit American buying power. So with the American purchasing power dwindling (look where the price of gold has gone the last two years...ouch!) lets hope Apple maintains a competitive entry level machine as well as reliable continuity in existing products.
Click to view adobephile's profile Member 557 posts since
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9. Jan 31, 2008 7:01 AM in response to: Jim Manderscheid
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Disagree totally with your "gloom and doom" prophecies and pleas for "price pandering". Very apathetic. Very socialistic.

The solution to inflation is "Make more money!" Apple is doing the right thing with its (notice the absence of an apostrophe) innovation and productivity. It is INDEED making more money. It is also continuing to provide very useable tools with which millions of us can follow suit with our own money-making and productivity.
Click to view KPO'M's profile Enthusiast 1,290 posts since
Nov 29, 2001
10. Jan 31, 2008 7:11 AM in response to: adobephile
Re: MacBook Wi-Fi compatibility up in Air
To be fair, if Microsoft had pulled something like this there would be a lot of outcries of "monopolistic behavior." I think Apple should release a firmware update if it is possible to fix this using software.
Click to view RichardBronosky's profile Member 182 posts since
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11. Jan 31, 2008 7:30 AM in response to: Macworld
Re: MacBook Wi-Fi compatibility up in Air
This is not good. I'm starting to worry now.

First it was lack of ports. Now we find that the USB port needs an adapter to fit many devices, and the headphone jack needs an adapter to fit many devices. Instead of being the lean roadwarrior niche machine it is billed as, this is turning into the Bat Man utility belt system. You might need to tack on the price of a Brother P-Touch label maker so you can keep all your attachments organized and not forget what they are for.
Click to view Martian's profile Enthusiast 1,313 posts since
Sep 27, 2001
12. Jan 31, 2008 7:43 AM in response to: nmpike
Re: Older AirPort may cause networking issues with MacBook Air
The reality is that we must take the bad with the good.

The Windows/PC commodity industry is based on the very notion of universality and compatibility, including compatibly with “legacy” hardware and software.

Apple’s products are instead based on true innovation. This means:
  • The Good—Apple can be more innovative because it is less constrained by genuine compatibility limitations, and
  • The Bad—Apple can and does frequently and deliberately capitalize on planned obsolescence. Its devoted cult following further enables Apple’s stealth obsolescence marketing.

We as consumers can continue to select Apple’s superior products, and yet be wary of and vocal about Apple’s stealthy moves. Apple, like any business needs negative customer feedback to restrain their greed with enlightened self interest.
Click to view adobephile's profile Member 557 posts since
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13. Jan 31, 2008 1:45 PM in response to: Martian
Re: Older AirPort may cause networking issues with MacBook Air
Martian wrote:
The reality is that we must take the bad with the good.

The Windows/PC commodity industry is based on the very notion of universality and compatibility, including compatibly with “legacy” hardware and software.

Apple’s products are instead based on true innovation. This means:
  • The Good—Apple can be more innovative because it is less constrained by genuine compatibility limitations, and
  • The Bad—Apple can and does frequently and deliberately capitalize on planned obsolescence. Its devoted cult following further enables Apple’s stealth obsolescence marketing.

We as consumers can continue to select Apple’s superior products, and yet be wary of and vocal about Apple’s stealthy moves. Apple, like any business needs negative customer feedback to restrain their greed with enlightened self interest.
"Greed" and "stealth", what a crock. It's seriously deluded propaganda like yours that needs negative feedback, which I dutifully deliver herewith.

All this silly quibbling over yet another new product BEFORE it's delivered serves no useful purpose whatsoever.