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27 Replies Last post: Feb 15, 2008 6:34 PM by smax013   Go to original post 1 2 Previous Next
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15. Feb 14, 2008 8:58 AM in response to: Quietus_Prime
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD
Quietus_Prime wrote:
smax013,

No problem, I see what you mean! I do apologize if, in any way, I offended you.

Martin

No offense taken at all.


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16. Feb 15, 2008 12:41 AM in response to: milkat
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD
I had the same problem and I noticed you said you were using an OEM version. That was the problem. Boot Camp and Parallels/Fusion will not work with the OEM. At least that's what Apple told me and an online store I was thinking of buying from. You need to get the full commercial version for it to work.
Hal
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17. Feb 15, 2008 4:37 AM in response to: HALO9X
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD

HAOL9X,

I run a perfectly good OEM or "For System Builders Only" copy of Windows Vista Business on my MacBook and has had no problems either booting stand-alone or going through VMWare Fusion.

The computer executes Windows flawlessly.

Martin

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18. Feb 15, 2008 6:20 AM in response to: HALO9X
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD

HALO9X wrote:I had the same problem and I noticed you said you were using an OEM version. That was the problem. Boot Camp and Parallels/Fusion will not work with the OEM. At least that's what Apple told me and an online store I was thinking of buying from. You need to get the full commercial version for it to work.
Hal

OEM will work just fine with Parallels and Boot Camp (and I would assume Fusion as well).


The issue to keep in mind is that OEM licenses provide ZERO support from Micro$oft if you have problems. With an OEM license, it is my understanding the it is the responsility of the system builder (which in this case, would be YOU if you buy and install it) to provide support for the Windoze OS. In addition, I am pretty sure that OEM licenses as tied to the one machine (i.e. technically under the EULA, I believe you are not permitted to move the Windoze installation to a new computer...in otherwords, if you dump the old computer, you are not permitted to keep the Windoze install disks and license key and use it on a new computer...at least that is my understanding).


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19. Feb 15, 2008 11:07 AM in response to: smax013
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD
I'm glad you got the OEm to work. What did you do. I tried several times and even got help from Apple but I finally got a "missing hal.dll file" error. We tried two or three times. No dice. I discovered a vendor who has OEM DSP versions which are unbranded OEM discs. However, they told these wouldn't work any better. So, what did YOU do to get it to work? I have Parallels and had no better success. I would like this to work since it is a cheaper way to put Windows XP on my iMac.
Thanks
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20. Feb 15, 2008 1:06 PM in response to: HALO9X
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD
HALO9X,

Create the Windows partition using the Boot Camp software. If you can afford it, split the hard disk in to halves. This will give Windows enough room to roam free. Do not go with the Boot Camp standard.

After you finish creating the partition, quit the Boot Camp and insert your Windows CD. Make sure that if you use Windows XP it has to be patched with SP2. If you have Windows Vista you will be fine.

Reboot your system and press the "Option" key to select between the hard disk and the CD. The CD will show as "Windows." Click on it and let the system boot into the installation program.

When you reach the point on the installation where you get to choose where you want to install Windows, choose the partition that's laveled "FAT32." Do not delete the partition and re-create it. When you are given the choice to format the partition into NTFS, do it. It is very important that you format your partition as NTFS otherwise the Mac will not boot successfully into Windows. Typically you want you Windows XP and Vista to run on NTFS to maximize the hard drive.

After you do all that you Windows will start copying all the installation files. This part is different in Windows XP and Vista but the bottom line is that all installation files are being copied into the hard disk.

Once that is done, the computer will reboot. Just make sure that you press the "Option" key again. At this point you will see three icons: the Macintosh hard disk, the Windows hard disk, and the Windows CD. Choose the Windows hard disk and you should be on your way. With Windows XP, you will continue configuring your brand new installation. With Windows Vista, you will enter your user information, some fine tuning and you will on your way.

On the Mac side you can use either Parallels or VMWare Fusion. I personally use VMWare Fusion. Both will allow you to point at your Boot Camp partition and boot it up within the MacOS X environment.

I hope this helps you. This is how I've done it on both Windows XP and Windows Vista. Personally I prefer to use, hence I rencommend, business (or Professional) versions of Windows but I'll leave that choice to you. Let us know how it goes!

Martin

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21. Feb 15, 2008 1:22 PM in response to: Quietus_Prime
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD
Thanks!!! I was told that either the OEM or OEM DSP (unbranded) will not work. Does it make a difference? I sent the OEM back and must admit I'm a little gun shy of trying that route again. However, if OEM has worked for others it should also work for me. I want it to work because I don't want to spend nearly $200 for experimental purposes.
I see from your picture you may be a vet. If so, thanks for your service!!
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22. Feb 15, 2008 2:09 PM in response to: HALO9X
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD

HALO9X,

This is exactly what I bought from www.newegg.com:

Windows Vista Business

If you want the Ultimate version it will cost you more but not that much more through Newegg. Here's the link to it:

Windows Vista Ultimate

Like I said, I did not have any issues whatsoever.

Yep, I am a vet and it is a honor to have served America and its fine citizens.

Martin

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23. Feb 15, 2008 2:43 PM in response to: Quietus_Prime
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD
Martin,
Thanks, I've saved your procedure for creating a partition and all. I have already sent back my OEM copy but I guess I'll try it again. I appreciate the assist.
Hal Howell, CPO USN(Ret)l
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24. Feb 15, 2008 4:05 PM in response to: HALO9X
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD

HALO9X wrote:I'm glad you got the OEm to work. What did you do. I tried several times and even got help from Apple but I finally got a "missing hal.dll file" error. We tried two or three times. No dice. I discovered a vendor who has OEM DSP versions which are unbranded OEM discs. However, they told these wouldn't work any better. So, what did YOU do to get it to work? I have Parallels and had no better success. I would like this to work since it is a cheaper way to put Windows XP on my iMac.
Thanks

Didn't do anything special. Just stuck the disk in and had Parallel (and later Boot Camp) boot off it and then did the Windoze installer normally. If you are having trouble, then it is more likely that there is some problem with the OEM disk. If you go that path again and have a similar problem, I would suggest testing it on a Windoze PeeCee (i.e. boot from like you are going to use it to install, but then cancel if it fully boots into the installer). This would help tell you if it is the disk or your computer.




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25. Feb 15, 2008 4:25 PM in response to: HALO9X
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD

Sir,

Any time you need help, by all means, feel free to contact me through my personal email. You may want to go through www.newegg.com to get your copy of Windows. It seems to me the cheapest way to go. I do not foresee any issues though.

Martin

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26. Feb 15, 2008 5:52 PM in response to: smax013
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD

smax013,

The problem that HALO9X experienced with the "Missing HAL.DLL" (HAL stands for Hardware Abstraction Layer) is pretty common when you delete the FAT32 partition and re-create it or leave the partition as FAT32.

Every once in a while I slip up and make those mistakes; that's how I learn and can advise others. Of course, creating strictly virtual machines through your favorite virtual machine software does not present any of the issues I describe. I personally prefer to use Boot Camp since it provides for faster Windows execution even running from within you preferred virtual machine software.

Martin

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27. Feb 15, 2008 6:34 PM in response to: Quietus_Prime
Re: Mac wont accept windows CD

Quietus_Prime wrote:
smax013,

The problem that HALO9X experienced with the "Missing HAL.DLL" (HAL stands for Hardware Abstraction Layer) is pretty common when you delete the FAT32 partition and re-create it or leave the partition as FAT32.

Every once in a while I slip up and make those mistakes; that's how I learn and can advise others. Of course, creating strictly virtual machines through your favorite virtual machine software does not present any of the issues I describe. I personally prefer to use Boot Camp since it provides for faster Windows execution even running from within you preferred virtual machine software.

Martin



I run both Boot Camp and Parallels. I tend to use Parallels for my structural engineering stuff...it does not require the greatest speed and my stupid USB copy protection dongle for the one structual analysis software works fine. This saves me having to reboot. I then have the Boot Camp setup for if I want to do some Windoze gaming (my buddy and I will "frag" each other in games like BF1942 when I visit him) and for a few other things where the more native running of Windoze is better. I have Fusion and plan to try it out and play with it some to see if I like it better than Parallels, but just have not gotten around to it.




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