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Feb 21, 2008 11:23 AM

MacBook Air: More tests

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Click to view TheBoyKen's profile New Member 161 posts since
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1. Feb 21, 2008 11:38 AM in response to: Macworld
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"Apple’s own internal battery testing indicates that the MacBook Air’s battery doesn’t have as long a life as those on the MacBook and MacBook Air, and our tests bear that out."

You mean "on the MacBook and MacBook Pro" don't you?
Click to view KPO'M's profile Enthusiast 1,290 posts since
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2. Feb 21, 2008 11:50 AM in response to: Macworld
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Nice update. So far, I am still grappling with getting Windows to work right under Fusion. It works well enough (just remember to de-select the option to automatically connect the CD/DVD drive), but Vista is ridiculously slow, even with 1GB RAM allocated and the 1.8GHz processor.

Other than that, as a Mac, it's works well enough for me. Every time I pick up my old 5.4lb Dell (which is a fair amount, since I'm still using it until I can get a fresh copy of XP SP2), it feels really heavy and thick. The battery drains a bit quicker than I'd like, particularly in sleep mode, but it is something I can get used to. The Dell battery was on its last legs anyway. Too bad Macs don't have a "hibernate" mode for extended storage.

Minor edit: I assume the second "Air" should be "Pro."

"Apple’s own internal battery testing indicates that the MacBook Air’s battery doesn’t have as long a life as those on the MacBook and MacBook Air, and our tests bear that out."
Click to view elmetal's profile New Member 3 posts since
Feb 21, 2008
3. Feb 21, 2008 12:44 PM in response to: KPO'M
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you know, I thought the same thing

Until I found this:

http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/status/deepsleep.html

install that, quick reboot

then open your dashboard, click it, wait about... 10 seconds
bam. your computer is off, no power drained.

turn it on, and youll see your desktop exactly as you left it with a loading bar, and in about 10 seconds or so your exactly back to where you left off. This beats hibernation mode in windows by a mile.
Click to view KPO'M's profile Enthusiast 1,290 posts since
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4. Feb 21, 2008 1:57 PM in response to: elmetal
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Thanks. I'll give it a try. It doesn't officially list the Air yet, but perhaps because it pre-dates it. Anyway, I wonder why Apple doesn't just include this feature?
Click to view elmetal's profile New Member 3 posts since
Feb 21, 2008
5. Feb 21, 2008 2:03 PM in response to: KPO'M
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well it is kind of included.

if you sleep your mb when it's on battery (I think maybe when you have less than 20% battery) and it dies, itll do that I believe.
Click to view thinkman's profile New Member 4 posts since
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6. Feb 21, 2008 2:58 PM in response to: Macworld
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The AIR will be the perfect machine for me when they put a decent speed processor in it and at least double the Drive storage. Other than that, I am totally enamored of this gorgeous piece of hardware. One wonders how long it will be before Apple dares to release an upgraded version of what could be a landmark product. I'm surprised that this didn't come out right away in at least 2 different configurations (I don't consider the 64GB SSD a configuration - just an option).
Click to view KPO'M's profile Enthusiast 1,290 posts since
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7. Feb 21, 2008 6:34 PM in response to: thinkman
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thinkman wrote:The AIR will be the perfect machine for me when they put a decent speed processor in it and at least double the Drive storage. Other than that, I am totally enamored of this gorgeous piece of hardware. One wonders how long it will be before Apple dares to release an upgraded version of what could be a landmark product. I'm surprised that this didn't come out right away in at least 2 different configurations (I don't consider the 64GB SSD a configuration - just an option).

I think the addition of a 5200RPM hard drive and a more advanced (albeit integrated) graphics chip would do more to speed up the Air than a faster processor. For basic tasks, the Air is just fine. Note that, because of its small design, the Air will likely always be slower than the then-current MacBooks. That said, it might be realistic to expect an Air in six months to a year with similar performance as today's MacBook (but with a better graphics chip) and a 120GB hard drive.

Click to view mgauss's profile New Member 6 posts since
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8. Feb 21, 2008 10:55 PM in response to: KPO'M
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Most Airs are being sold as a second Mac. But moving Mail, Documents, iPhoto, etc., is complicated. iPhone has a great Sync program. The Air needs it desperately. One cannot stuff the 500 Gig drive of the iMac onto the Air's 1.8 inch drive. That is why a great sync is so needed. By the way Airs are flying off the shelves.
Click to view manuelw's profile New Member 12 posts since
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9. Feb 22, 2008 6:34 AM in response to: KPO'M
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I think the addition of a 5200RPM hard drive ...

Well, there just is no such thing like a 5200RPM hard drive in 1.8" format, they all rotate slower. So you should have said "the replacement of the 1.8" by a 2.5" hard drive at the cost of extra weight and thickness".

So I think it was a deliberate decision from Apple to use such a small drive at the cost of speed, but allowing the slim, lightweight design.
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10. Feb 22, 2008 7:14 AM in response to: Macworld
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My reason of buying a MacBook Air (1.6 / SSD) was the silence which it offers. Unless I am not watching embedded flash videos or using my Canon scanner the fan keeps off. That - and the low weight and the bright screen - is the surplus value for me. Of course I had to reduce the software variety and the data load - the 64 GB drive is so 2004 -, but I never had the idea to do video editing on a low performing notebook with 1280x800 screen. - The MacBook Air is a computer which questions the habits of many users. It is no all-in-one machine for any purpose. But o. k. for me, I like to dedicate some work for this, some for another computer. The only complaint that I have is the battery which times out after 3 or 3.5 hours (screen brightness always at max).
Click to view Martian's profile Enthusiast 1,312 posts since
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11. Feb 22, 2008 7:41 AM in response to: mgauss
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Complaining that the Air is 10% slower than a MB or that drive space is currently limited to 80GB or that there is no optical drive is like complaining that a Corvette has poor cargo capacity and only seats 2. These limitations are reasonable tradeoffs for Air’s light weight and thinness and likewise, the Corvette’s ultimate performance.

On the other hand after a few months of battery deterioration and a summer away from the collage campus WiFi cocoon, there will be buyer remorse from those realizing that their semi-sealed battery and WiFi tethered connectivity were not traded off for size and weight, but for marketing seduction. Kind of like a Corvette with its oil dipstick under a sealed hood, and limited to ethanol fuel thus confined to regions with ethanol service stations.

Perhaps if GM were loved like Apple they could pull off peddling an ethanol only, sealed hood Corvette.

Click to view KPO'M's profile Enthusiast 1,290 posts since
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12. Feb 22, 2008 7:46 AM in response to: manuelw
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manuelw wrote:
I think the addition of a 5200RPM hard drive ...Well, there just is no such thing like a 5200RPM hard drive in 1.8" format, they all rotate slower. So you should have said "the replacement of the 1.8" by a 2.5" hard drive at the cost of extra weight and thickness".

So I think it was a deliberate decision from Apple to use such a small drive at the cost of speed, but allowing the slim, lightweight design.

Is it an issue of physics that these drives can't run faster? Or is it a matter of cost? If it's a matter of physics, then perhaps the solution is to add a larger memory cache onto the drives. If it's a matter of cost, then it is something that might The SSD actually does make a noticeable difference in performance according to the test results (increasing the score by 10 compared to the processor's 6), just not enough to justify the $999 cost.

Obviously, MacBook Air is about size first. I wouldn't want them to put in a 2.5" drive and increase the weight and thickness.


Click to view John_Scott's profile New Member 47 posts since
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13. Feb 22, 2008 9:08 AM in response to: Macworld
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Of course the big key problem is of course lack of features. But also hard drive compacitiy comes into play also. As Macworld commented on. Many user's especially in the business world have Windows somehow running as ether a duel boot or in a VM program. This of course takes up space too. It boggles my mind how a laptop with so many compromises has managed to impress the media and consumers so much?
Click to view KPO'M's profile Enthusiast 1,290 posts since
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14. Feb 22, 2008 9:21 AM in response to: John_Scott
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Consider that Lenovo is also out there peddling a subnotebook ranging from 2.5-3.5lbs. It has only the SSD available (64GB), but crams 3 USB ports, wireless USB, 4GB, GPS, and a removable battery (1/2 size for the 2.5lbs version), and a high-resolution 13.3" screen. The 3.5lb version has a DVD drive and a bigger battery. It's comparably priced to the MBA 1.8 SSD. On the downside, the processor, while 2.0GHz, is a low-voltage edition, and it is thicker than the Air. Of course, it also runs Windows (though XP is an option). There definitely is a market for ultralights. Air is well-positioned in the market.