Well, unless you're going to fix everything for us today, it IS the point.

I just think the whole thread has gotten a bit off topic. It was originally about GoLive being discontinued. But somewhere along the line people have been talking as if migrating to Dreamweaver will suddenly require them to write code. This all comes from so many people saying that "Dreamweaver is geared more toward coders than designers." Well, yes, it IS better for coders, but that's ONLY IN "CODE" or "SPLIT" mode. I'm wondering how many GoLive users out there, who haven't ever tried Dreamweaver, think it has no Design mode, and don't realize that they can continue creating their sites the same way they do in GoLive (with the exception of having to get used to the clunky, Macromedia way of doing things, and no SmartObjects).

I use code and recommend everyone to learn it, but if one doesn't want to, one doesn't have to. They can continue to ignore it and eventually learn the hard way that as their ideas and sites become more complex, their frustrations and disappointments will increase. When the day comes that future browsers cough up and spit out anything done in their ancient GoLive 9, they'll have a hell of a lot of catching up to do. And by that time, Dreamweaver will have the exact same look and feel that GoLive would've had if it had continued to evolve anyway.

"CODA isn't a competitor of DreamWeaver and GoLive."

Did someone say it was?

But... it certainly is a competitor if someone is weighing using Coda + (whatever) rather than using DreamWeaver, especially if they like the interface.

Just saying.

To the original topic, I found GoLive easier to work with than Dreamweaver, especially with CSS... I was hoping the next version of GoLive would be more geared toward the "visual" audience with DW remaining more of a coder's tool (yes, I know... you can lay out things visually) and I really thought the next version of GL would have draggable guides and some of the new "easy to use" Spry things... ah, well.

The EASIEST and BEST web app that Adobe ever came out with was PageMill - not a lot of bloated bells and whistles, just basic stuff needed to make easily navigable web pages without all that java crab that is cutesy and detracts from the message the page wants to project, as well as increases page loading time - there is NO instant gratification for the viewer, and THAT is ALL they want when surfing.

I started using PageMill v2 and v3 way back in the 90s when I started my FIRST web site kardas net, and still use it on my MANY domains and online auction selling venues such as ebutt. YES, I do have copies of GoLive AND Dreamweaver and loaded them a couple times on my Macs to try them out, ending up deleting them because they were WAY TOO complex with too many UNNECESSARY options for my little mind - to me they both suck. My MAIN philosophy in web design is SIMPLER IS BETTER, something that programmers seem to have forgotten LONG ago

Yes Dreamweaver can be used as a WYSIWYG tool if you wish, and Adobe do a handy CS3 software bundle that incorporates Photoshop CS3, Flash CS3 etc too.
There are quite a few other web design software options available too as mentioned previously in this discussion, RapidWeaver and Freeway seem to be quite popular WYSIWYG editors and might be worth a trial.

This discussion has taken an interesting course in which many recommendations have been made regarding software with which to develop a website. I am one of those that prefers to work visually and to not have to become involved in the details of the underlying code, this being said from one who has at best a very minimal knowledge of HTML and such.

My first websites were developed in PageMill and that was followed by GoLive Cyberrstudio, and now I am an avid user of Freeway. Interestingly, of the various sites I have worked on the only ones that pass the W3C Markup Validation are those developed via Freeway, and that applies to every single site implemented via Freeway.

As with any application it does take one a few days to become truly comfortable with the capabilities and interface of Freeway. To me, using Freeway is a bit like using InDesign or Pages to develop a website.

Freeway comes in two versions, Freeway Express and Freeway Pro. Both versions are available as unrestricted trials.

Softpress, the implementors of Freeway provide fantastic and rapid technical support at no charge, ant that applies even to the trial versions. Furthermore Softpress is currently offering a discount to persons with a licensed copy of GoLive.

The above comments were made totally on my own and are intended to reflect the views of an exceedingly happy user of Freeway, an application I strongly encourage one to try.

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James L. Ryan Austin, Texas

Very good point. I was purchasing the Production Suite over the phone and I asked them if they offered a crossgrade price for DW from GoLive. They said no. So I didn't buy it. Now that I've found out about Freeway, I'll check it out. Adobe may completely lose a sale here and future upgrade revenue simply because they didn't offer a crossgrade to me and I found out about a competing product.

stevenoz states:
I would like to see Apple implement a website tool that would be included in iWork along with Pages, an application that would provide what a typical user would want in terms of capabilities. As things currently stand I find that Pages provides almost everything i need to create a fairly sophisticated document, and I would like to see a sibling application for websites.

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James L. Ryan Austin, Texas