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May 19, 2008 3:11 PM

AT&T: With partners like this...

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Click to view KPO'M's profile Enthusiast 1,290 posts since
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1. May 19, 2008 3:28 PM in response to: Macworld
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All of us "unlockers" who predicted Apple would eventually cave on this front are looking ever more prescient as the days go by. In any case, has Apple indicated if they will offer visual voicemail where it has non-exclusive contracts? If so, will this feature become available on other phones? Will Apple start hosting the voicemail servers themselves? Visual Voicemail was the only good reason to strike a deal with a carrier. As the non-exclusive deals are showing, Apple can easily maintain control while selling this phone through multiple carriers, and AT&T isn' t really bringing anything to the table other than its network (which is OK at best).

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2. May 19, 2008 3:54 PM in response to: Macworld
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I would be shocked if Visual Voicemail is not available though all carriers who have a deal. Despite Apple's marketing spiel, it's not rocket science. Open a data connection to the appropriate server and ask what messages there are, then use that information through the standard voice mail phone number to retrieve the actual voicemail. Viola! Having Apple maintain voice mail servers would be a logistical and technological nightmare, and it would also be pointless. Right now all Apple has to say to the carriers is this is how we discover the server to query, here is the format of the query and this is the response we expect.

Ideas like this and the magnetic power connectors are good but seem obvious in hindsight. Either way they're not very high on the technology totem pole, even if they are a boon for users.
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3. May 19, 2008 3:56 PM in response to: Macworld
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The other thing the partnership brings is the ability to activate the phone through iTunes. Not sure how that will work with multiple carriers either.


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4. May 19, 2008 4:01 PM in response to: Macworld
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That certainly might change, given that, for instance, in Australia they typically sell unlocked phones as a part of a plan and you don't get the phone until you have signed your life away for two years. So activation might be separate from contractual obligations. Also they might start selling locked phones, which would be a mistake, but its certainly possible.

Also I might add that if Visual Voicemail is not patented it may well start arriving on other phones, but it may be of limited use since not all phones are sold with a data plan, as the iPhone almost certainly will be.
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5. May 19, 2008 4:36 PM in response to: Macworld
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Apple's iPhone partner policy is no mystery. In the beginning, mobile carriers didn't want to risk hitching their wagons to a radically different, untested product from a first-time mobile phone maker unless Apple sweetened the pot by offering them an exclusive contract for some period of time. But things have changed. Mobile carriers worldwide are evidently quite willing to jump on the iPhone bandwagon with no special inducement required thanks to iPhone's spectacular success. Apple hasn't changed its viewpoint or its objectives. It did what it had to do to get the iPhone airborn. Now it's time to soar.

Apple's contract with AT&T, on the other hand, is binding until it expires, whenever that is. After that, my guess is that everybody gets to play.
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6. May 19, 2008 5:03 PM in response to: Jon Seff
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Jon Seff wrote:The other thing the partnership brings is the ability to activate the phone through iTunes. Not sure how that will work with multiple carriers either.


They can include the SIM cards for all carriers in the network who offer the phone, or offer it entirely SIM free and make the phone completely unlocked and rely on people to get their own SIM cards from the carrier (or transfer their own accounts). Technologically, this shouldn't be that difficult, either. Phone "addicts" like me would love to be able to just buy the phone from the store, put our existing SIM cards in, and be done with it. If it takes a visit to the carrier website or a link on iTunes to switch to the iPhone data plan, that's easy enough, too.
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7. May 19, 2008 5:10 PM in response to: alansky
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@ alansky
Apple's contract with AT&T, on the other hand, is binding until it expires, whenever that is. After that, my guess is that everybody gets to play.

That's not true. Apple's agreement with AT&T is for 5 years from introduction, but there are provisions for either party to cancel under various circumstances.

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8. May 19, 2008 6:25 PM in response to: Macworld
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<< But I can&#8217;t imagine that Apple, which places such a premium on delivering a clear, consistent message to its customers, can be terribly pleased by this &#8220;Yes! No! Maybe! Ask again later!&#8221; approach to public relations>>

No, Apple would never, for example, announce that Airport Extreme could host Time Machine backups to an attached USB drive, then "oops! not", then "well OK, sort of" in a later rev, but "unsupported".

Crystal-clear, unambiguous messages, that's Apple.
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9. May 19, 2008 6:36 PM in response to: wiseman
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wiseman wrote:
@ alansky
Apple's contract with AT&T, on the other hand, is binding until it expires, whenever that is. After that, my guess is that everybody gets to play.

That's not true. Apple's agreement with AT&T is for 5 years from introduction, but there are provisions for either party to cancel under various circumstances.


Source?
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10. May 19, 2008 7:50 PM in response to: Macworld
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AT&T won the lottery, they brought absolutely zero to the iPhone table other than available cell towers. Their service blows, they are a far less innovative company than Apple and their contracts are Faustian. That Apple selected them for the iPhone is merely a cause of picking the lesser of all evils. One day we'll all be using wifi and wimax to make all our calls over the net and AT&T wireless will wither away to its long overdue death. And that's spoken as a longtime customer...
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11. May 19, 2008 8:11 PM in response to: vfx2k4
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vfx2k4 wrote:
AT&T won the lottery, they brought absolutely zero to the iPhone table other than available cell towers. Their service blows, they are a far less innovative company than Apple and their contracts are Faustian. That Apple selected them for the iPhone is merely a cause of picking the lesser of all evils. One day we'll all be using wifi and wimax to make all our calls over the net and AT&T wireless will wither away to its long overdue death. And that's spoken as a longtime customer...

This post is nothing but angry exaggeration. I've been a happy AT&T Wireless (Ameritech while in Chicago) customer for almost twenty years.
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12. May 19, 2008 8:33 PM in response to: Macworld
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Macworld wrote:
can be terribly pleased by this “Yes! No! Maybe! Ask again later!” approach to public relations.


Sounds like PR by the Magic 8 Ball!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball
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13. May 19, 2008 9:01 PM in response to: Macworld
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While AT&T may not be the best PR company in the world to deal with, I can say that I am much happier with AT&T service than I was with Sprint / Nextel.

As a corporation I would think AT&T would be embarrassed by the flubs, but their lack of any clear direction means they must not care.
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14. May 20, 2008 3:57 AM in response to: Macworld
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Perhaps a wider, global perspective? I think Apple has to give up it's policy to team up with providers. We've been waiting for a year now and non of the providers in the Netherlands want to make a deal, neither in most other European Countries, let alone in asia or the middle east...
Wifi acces is never unlocked (we have other rules in that matter) so who cares...

Apple should just sell the darned thing unlocked and focus on building better phones:
– longer battery life
– better Mail/Ical/ToDoList integration
– spam filter?
– 3G networking (is already comming)
– GPS chip and solution