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Macworld

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Jul 23, 2008 4:19 PM

The Mac keeps driving Apple

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spacest

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Jun 28, 2006

1. Jul 23, 2008 11:52 PM

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mac drives, mobileme crashes

bigh

347 posts since
Oct 20, 2004

2. Jul 24, 2008 4:35 AM

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I wouldn't think the comments were about the iPod - Apple has made significant changes to the iPod without making such comments. And the touch is still extremely desireable.

It may have been made in regard to exotic changes to the laptop lineup, such as touch screens or a revamped form factor, but again, that has happened without such comments before.

My guess is a completely new device and a new market... That's the most expensive type of investment. Perhaps a video device that does for video what the iPod did for music. Perhaps some sort of other media device that's all new.

And, of course, it may mean a major overhaul of desktop forms. That's actually my best guess, since it's overdue. Maybe, just maybe, this is the preparation for a mid-range pro machine. I could see Apple developing a SOHO server that would also double as a media server (or even a mid-size computer). Perhaps something that can record media as well.

It's all a fun guessing game, but it certainly does seem that something fresh is on the way.

fibercut

196 posts since
Dec 1, 2001

3. Jul 24, 2008 4:47 AM

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spacest wrote:
mac drives, mobileme crashes

I am a firm believer that this is part of the reason Apple's stock took a nose dive in after trading hours. I know about Apple's new quarter conservative forecast but they have always predicted lower. So the drastic stock drop has to have more than one reason for the drop.

mattt

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Apr 11, 2005

4. Jul 24, 2008 7:16 AM

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What's the story with the last column in that graph? The dark grey represents 2500 of what?

Schneb

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Dec 10, 2002

5. Jul 24, 2008 9:42 AM

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I wish Apple will get on the stick and provide us a half-height MacProsumer model. Why do you think the Psystars are getting so much attention? Because there is a HUGE demographic gap that Apple is completely ignoring. It's ridiculous.

GJG

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May 20, 2007

6. Jul 24, 2008 11:31 AM

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What people don't seem to recognize is that Apple has an excellent shot at hitting 10,000,000 Mac sales for this fiscal year. Now that would be a milestone!!!

Who cares about Apple's financial projections? Apple really has no choice but to try and manage the crazy expectations that arise if they don't low-ball their estimates in the hope of maintaining some sort of realism in the market. The problem is that most people don't understand what's really important financially. Sooner or later people will recognize that it's cash flow that matters, just like any other business.

When Apple's generated over $5.4B of cash on $3.7B of net income so far in FY08, Apple's likely to hit $7.5B of cash flow for the full year. It's not very long ago that Apple's total sales were at that level. And if you think that's wildly off, just consider what sales of 4,000,000 iPhone 3Gs in the fourth quarter are likely to mean in terms of cash flow (but those earnings will be spread over two years.)

They're already sitting on $20B in cash and short-term investments. The matter that does deserve some thought is what Apple's going to do with its cash hoard. That's becoming a real question that deserves a lot more thought and a better response than I've heard to date.

MacKayaker

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Oct 11, 2006

7. Jul 24, 2008 1:15 PM

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So how about upgrading the long-in-the-tooth Mac mini and the Mac Pro could use some price drop. They have been charging obscene amounts of money for minor speed bumps on it. And finally - where is the ever-needed middle desktop system that would likely outsell the iMac and the Mac mini combined?

Biallystock

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Aug 22, 2007

8. Jul 24, 2008 2:33 PM

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I love how many posters have rated the new iMac glossy as just what the market wanted, proved by increasing Mac sales.

A quick look at the graph shows the growth is all in the laptops and in fact desktop sales, including the iMacs have fallen.

IF and only IF Apple actually shaped its products to customer demand rather than their own fashion peccadilloes, the desktop market could take off just as much as the laptop market. Key products would be a better pricepoint mini, a better mini at the mini's pricepoint, a headless midi which has always been the computer of choice for business and studios, and finally a non-glossy iMac for the designer market.

After all in the forums the split for and against the glossy iMac is 50/50 with it appears as most of the for being non-professionals. Need I point out that amateurs usually only buy one machine for themselves. Professional studios buy multiple machines.

Deromax

79 posts since
Aug 30, 2004

9. Jul 24, 2008 9:24 PM

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I bet they will introduce a videogame console!

Kriced

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Jul 14, 2008

10. Jul 25, 2008 7:57 AM

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Nah, It's going to be an iSegway.

MacGod

273 posts since
Sep 20, 2004

11. Jul 25, 2008 8:11 AM

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Remember, the Centrino 2 isn't the only chip Intel has introduced recently. I think there could be much more interesting possibilities with the Intel Atom: ultra-low power, designed for highly-portable, often touch-driven applications. UMPC hasn't taken off in the PC world, but that's because most of the platforms have tried to cram a (basically) full version of Windows into a tiny device. I think the iPhone and iTouch show that Apple is adept at choosing which features to include and which to omit, depending on the specifics of a given device.

And Biallystock: I don't buy your argument. Yeah, there is a market for a mid-range Mac Minitower, and to be honest, it's a system I personally would quite like. But that's not the current trend. People are moving to notebooks more and more (e.g. http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS21190708). I see it a lot as a student-I know exactly two people with a desktop computer; all the rest use notebooks. Factor in mobile businesspeople and so forth, and the trend solidifies. Apple makes best-of-class notebooks, and I think that factor is a big part of why they've seen such growth. They're ridden the mobility trend and have prospered from having done so.

I think that a Mac Mid-Range Minitower would cannibalise Mac Pro or iMac sales far more than it would bring in more switchers. People who dream of the Minitower always list specs like an 8GB RAM ceiling, two PCI slots, and room for two optical drives and 2-4 hard drives as their dream system. Well, that's not much less than what the Mac Pro offers. What you want is a Mac Pro, but cheaper. And I wouldn't hold your breath.

As for a cheaper mini? Apple has never really competed in the ultra-cheap sector. It's just not who they are. The mini is a half-hearted token nod to that sector of the PC market, and will never be anything more. Mercedes doesn't make a $12,000 car, Cartier doesn't make a $25 digital watch and Apple doesn't make a half-baked, ugly, $300 computer. And for a good reason-the profit margins would be razor thin (they are for all the low-end PC manufacturers), and every unit sold would hurt the brand image and create problems if and when things went wrong.

Martian

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Sep 27, 2001

12. Jul 25, 2008 9:02 AM

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MacGod wrote:
... Mercedes doesn't make a $12,000 car...

Yes, $12,000 is at the very low end. But Mercedes does have the “Smart Fortwo” which is innovative, unique and modestly priced — kind of like a Mac mini-tower or an updated Mac Mini would be. And then there is the affordable BMW Mini.

The best argument against a mini-tower would be that it may sell well, but could possibly steal most of its sales from the iMac instead of PC’s, therefore wouldn’t generate enough new Mac sales to justify the cost of broadening the product line.

In contrast, I can find no decent arguments against an ultra-light/compact, full feature laptop (“…Air Pro”).

Personally, I bought a Mac Pro which is a bit more computer than I need. But I did buy it and that supports Apple’s position of not offering an alternative. But also personally, if the “…Air Pro” doesn’t come out by October, I am buying a PC for travel. Mac currently makes no alternative.

rcpmac

7 posts since
Apr 6, 2006

13. Jul 25, 2008 12:41 PM

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I don't see what your are asking for that a macbook doesn't already provide. There is video out for a larger @home/office display. performance, compactness, economy, style and the best OS in the world,
So what do you want? - 2" smaller? THAT is a luxury most only dream of

MacKayaker

307 posts since
Oct 11, 2006

14. Jul 25, 2008 4:53 PM

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I find it amazing how opinionated people can be, when they seem so unconnected to users interests/needs beyond their own.

While it would be fine if Apple wanted to lower the price on the Mini, in truth, the Mini needs the processor and RAM bumps the iMac and MacBooks have received - it hasn't seen any real upgrades in close to a year, if memory serves. And the Mini is a perfect system for many more users than most replying seem to have a sense for. If you worked with a wide range of Mac users, as I do, you would be surprised how many don't use their systems to work with photos, video, or games - but instead email, some internet browsing and some text-based document creation are all they use their computer for. The iMac can be overkill, due to price, for some I deal with - yet the Mini is a perfect fit - in features and form.

While many people are into laptops these days, for many, it really isn't need driven. Laptops are poor investments - but necessary for some users. The same money invested in a desktop system will provide much more that leads to a better user experience and without the high price penalty for portability. Laptops are a necessary evil, but not very many "business" people have or need them, as some posters are suggesting.

A mid-sized tower would cannabalize Mac Pro sales for sure, but it is way more system than most need. Yet, the iMac is clearly not enough - so a mid-sized a priced tower is more about providing a system that better serves customers. The Mac Pro really is overkill for many who end up getting it, but they have no option - so they are stuck. People seem to be into car analogies - so it's like having the need for a two door car that provides average trunk space and decent gas mileage and being required to purchase a diesel truck with a crew cab and long bed. If you need the truck, then fine - but most don't. And in those instances, I see most people choosing to get less system than they need, by getting an iMac, then experiencing frustration because it's not up to the tasks it was purchased to perform - though it was in the budget range. A mid-sized tower is about meeting customer need and allowing a user to decide what kind of display they want - not being limited to Apple's couple of choices and being stuck with a system that can't be easily, or cheaply upgraded.

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