razmage wrote:
Or even close to being true. If you have the mozilla source code you CAN hide a windows title bar. Not only that but its actually in apples API to allow for it. After some digging around on lists.apple.com and developer.apple.com I came across this and then a bunch of other information around kWindowNoTitleBarAttribute and other settings that are adjustable. How else do you think some games have just the window, etc.
"On Tiger or later, you can hide or show the titlebar by setting or clearing the kWindowNoTitleBarAttribute attribute."
I stated previously that, “The API for document windows perhaps has a parameter that allows the developer to decide to use the title bar (default) or omit it.” Having an API for developers to create certain types of document windows is not the same as allowing the user to toggle the title bar on and off.
The Macworld forum is generally used for general user inquiries not developer questions, so if you wanted to do this as a developer then you should have made that clear. In either case, I
did indicate that developers can do this with Apple’s APIs. Users are not going to screw around with kWindowNoTitleBarAttribute or any other API attribute.
I also stated that, “when you have applications that provide full screen modes or windows without title bars it is because the developer has created those modes with for certain functionality (using the API)”. Hence the reason you see “games (that) have just the window, etc.” as you brought up.
razmage wrote:
You can also do it dynamically. My original question though appears that you can't do this like you can in X11, Windows, etc. or if you can there are no pre-built tools to do it (like with Windows using windowblinds, etc). Oh well.
Yes, there are system hacks, particularly for Windows, that allow the user to do quite a few things to the user interface, but suppressing title bars it is still not a standard feature accessible to the user of the OS. In fact, in Windows the third-party utilities are probably just taking advantage of the fact that window parameters such as title bar size, title bar text size, border size, etc., have been user-adjustable in Windows since at least as far back as Windows 95. Thus, they may simply be making the title bar its minimum size making it appear as if it is not present; that is not the same as turning it off.
That level of GUI customization has never been a standard feature in the Mac OS although utilities do exist for altering the appearance of the OS X GUI. Unlike Microsoft, Apple is not too keen on having the user dramatically modify the user interface. As you stated in your first post, you could not find anything information on the Web about disabling title bars on the Mac and I provided reason why that is perhaps the case.
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