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Nov 21, 2008 9:09 AM

$5 million lawsuit charges Apple with fraud over 3G speeds

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Click to view Schneb's profile Old Hand 1,727 posts since
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1. Nov 21, 2008 9:35 AM in response to: Macworld
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“Consumers are unable to choose any other network or carrier when using their iPhone 3G,”

I think this lawsuit is stupid. However, I do agree with the statement above. Locking us in to AT&T and their horrible contract is bad. But you don't see me calling up a lawyer. I just chose an iPod Touch over the iPhone and just keep my Pay-As-You-Go phone with it.
Click to view fletc3her's profile Member 142 posts since
Jul 12, 2006
2. Nov 21, 2008 9:44 AM in response to: Macworld
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The tie-in to AT&T is largely technology driven. Your only other choice in the U.S. would be the T-Mobile 3G network which is even more limited than the AT&T network. The iPhone does not have the hardware to access the Verizon or Sprint networks.
Click to view adobephile's profile Enthusiast 746 posts since
Feb 3, 2001
3. Nov 21, 2008 10:16 AM in response to: Macworld
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What ever happened to: Buy it. Try it. Don't like it. Return it. ?

I hate all these lazy jackals trying to get a bite of the carcass.
Click to view TeaEarleGreyHot's profile Member 247 posts since
Sep 29, 2005
4. Nov 21, 2008 10:30 AM in response to: Macworld
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adobephile wrote:
I hate all these lazy jackals trying to get a bite of the carcass.

Carcass? Has Apple died? Long live the beleaguered!
Click to view jwlussow's profile New Member 29 posts since
Feb 27, 2004
5. Nov 21, 2008 10:54 AM in response to: Macworld
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I agree with the lawsuit. I just went to McDonald's because their BigMac looked so big and hot on my HD TV in that commercial. I bought the thing and you know what...it was much smaller and kind of smooshed and it really wasn't hot at all. I suing McDonald's for $17,000,000,000 because my sandwich, which was advertised as hot, was in fact cold.....

When I'm President I am going to enact a law that the plaintiff is responsible for the defendants lawyers bills and lost time if the case is found to be frivolous. Why should Apple pay for the rats and vultures that are trying to feed off of other people's hard work. I have an iPhone and as far as I remember, they ALWAYS stated that they would be exclusive to AT&T until their contract expired. Did they sneak that into the fine print? No. Do they also state that the 3G network is not available everywhere and that they also state that performance may vary? No one forced these people to buy the phone. I used to have Nextel/Sprint and AT&T is incredible compared to them. I am completely satisfied with AT&T's service and cost and also with my iPhone.

Now anyone care to make my BigMac suit a class action.....
Click to view itsjustme's profile New Member 33 posts since
Jul 17, 2008
6. Nov 21, 2008 11:05 AM in response to: Macworld
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From every ad I have ever seen...."3G not available in all areas..." If your on a fringe area...you have both 3G and edge available. My phone when traveling, switches automatically back and forth. I don't have to stream you tube 24/7....
Click to view yoinks's profile New Member 2 posts since
Nov 21, 2008
7. Nov 21, 2008 11:21 AM in response to: Macworld
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I think the suit has merit. Apple has been stringing folks along, saying that the 3G issues could be solved by software updates. v2.1 was supposed to have been the magic update, but now we're told that v2.2 corrects call setup (whatever that is) and dropped calls. What up?

I owned an iPhone for 2 weeks and returned it, after trying out v2.1. The device is pretty cool, but the phone reception outright blows. And, for me, the issue is the iPhone and not the AT&T service - have been an AT&T customer for a very long time and have never had the issued I had w/ the iPhone.

At the very least, Apple should change the name of the "iPhone 3G", cuz that's false advertising.
Click to view wingsy's profile New Member 23 posts since
Aug 20, 2008
8. Nov 21, 2008 12:14 PM in response to: Macworld
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"since the iPhone 3G and AT&T 3G Network is faulty and rarely provides 3G connectivity to its customers.”

Well then what's that little "3G" doing on my iPhone, ALL THE TIME?

"Keller says Apple markets the iPhone 3G because of its speed, but the phone and the network do not live up to the advertising "

Then why do I see "1.2Mb/S" when I go do a 3G speed test? This seems to be about average too. Look at this, and scroll down to see everyone's speeds... the majority are clustered in the 1.2Mbps area.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pJASLEVIg-lpE4AsJ11KxBQ

I think Peter Keller is just trying to make a quick (unearned) buck.
Click to view sjmagy's profile New Member 26 posts since
Jan 27, 2006
9. Nov 21, 2008 1:23 PM in response to: Macworld
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Considering the millions of users who are happy with their iPhone purchase and for whom it works just fine, how about people like Peter Keller just return the phone and get their money back instead of suing? I guess that would make too much sense in this "it's all about ME" world...
Click to view leicaman's profile Old Hand 1,585 posts since
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10. Nov 21, 2008 2:16 PM in response to: Macworld
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Heh, I've had my iPhone for two weeks now, and being in the San Diego area, I've had my 3G and E moments, but I have yet to have one single call dropped.

And you know what? I knew I wouldn't always have 3G. I knew phones drop calls. And I knew that advertising "always look(s) on the bright side of life."

Boy, do I feel dumb that I didn't see this opportunity to get rich. On the other hand, I'd much rather be dumb about that, instead of being so stupid that I don't understand ad disclaimers and hyperbolic marketing.

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Click to view getheledout's profile New Member 4 posts since
Jun 10, 2008
11. Nov 21, 2008 2:20 PM in response to: Macworld
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Actually they won't get very far with this suit, at least on a couple of fronts. 1. The 3G doesn't actually stand for 3G speeds. It's actually truthful in the fact that it's a 3rd Generation phone in network. And as JWLUSSOW pointed out, they've advertised most of the things that could go wrong and no-one put a gun to the heads of anyone standing in line to get the phone. If you don't like it... Go to a Verizon store and get ya a storm. I personally love my Iphone and I'm not saying I haven't had a few issues, but all were minor. In fact every time I use it I smile.
Click to view themcfreak's profile New Member 3 posts since
Oct 31, 2007
12. Nov 22, 2008 9:07 AM in response to: Macworld
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This is ridiculous. First off, I nearly always have the little"3G" on my phone, even when I am not in the city. The only time I have edge is if I am way out in the middle of nowhere (which happens alot, but that is because I live in Texas. Can't have 3G everywhere yet). Second, I don't have issues with dropped calls, or with slow speeds. I agree with the majority of the people here. This guy is out to get a quick buck in the bad economy (shouldn't have spent all that money on the iPhone) and if he is unhappy, just go return it and go to Verizon. I am sure you will get much better 3G service over there.. cough cough
Click to view openosx's profile New Member 22 posts since
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13. Nov 22, 2008 8:35 PM in response to: jwlussow
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jwlussow:
"When I'm President I am going to enact a law that the plaintiff is
responsible for the defendants lawyers bills and lost time if the case
is found to be frivolous."

Umm - that law is already enacted. Hope you have more abitious plans as President.
Click to view jdeane's profile New Member 1 posts since
Nov 24, 2008
14. Nov 24, 2008 8:34 AM in response to: Macworld
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It amazes me that there is very little concept of personal accountability left in the world. why must everything be someone else's fault.

read the specifications and make informed decisions. don't run out, spend your money and then - because it doesnt live up to some invented level of performance - whinge and bleat and make it somneone else's problem.

there ARE circumstances where NEGLIGENCE should be punished, but in my view there should be NEGLIGENCE not simply a failure to anticipate every possible nuance of performance that someone MAY find to be not acceptable.

my mind is drawn to the unspeakably ridiculous litigation against macdonalds for the coffee in the lap incident. in which universe is coffee normally sold COLD.

i guess the macdonalds example is at the lunatic fringe of the issue i am discussing here, but it serves to illustrate the point that one should take some responsibility for one's acts. it cannot be reasonable, in my view, to behave recklessly (and i include in this spending many dollars on a device without understanding the extent to which it will suit my needs in the environment i am going to use it in) and then expect someone else to foot the bill and certainly maybe to pay any damages for my lack of attention to that suitability.

the iphone literature and the realities of 3G are well known to everyone who has eyes to see and read.

there are NO guarantees that any mobile device on any technology will perform to the general specification. there are too many unknowns and complexities.

anyone who doesn't understand this is probably better off not buying technology.

i wonder how many people actually get the exact miles per gallon cited in the specifications for urban (etc) cycle. the idea of these numbers is to give the user an IDEA of the kind of performance they might expect compared to a similar device, be it a car or a phone.

the iphone is a great device. sure it has limitations. but that is exactly what a sane person would expect for something at the cutting edge of technology.

get real people and take responsibility for your own decisions.