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Click to view azzaman's profile Member 201 posts since
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Jun 27, 2008 12:59 AM

Buying RAM for PB


I have a Powerbook 1.25 ghz (stock standard). I am having trouble scrolling through my iphoto album (7gigs worth), and general slowness when doing anything. With tasks like watching a youtube clip, the prcessor is maxed out, not to mention doing basic movies and photo editing.

We have a brand new macbook in the house, but i still use the powerbook a fair bit. I was looking around at a 1.67ghz PB, but these things are still worths a bit of money (in Australia anyway).

This machine come standard with 256x2 ram sticks. Would increasing this to 1 to 1.5 gig make much of a difference. Would i need to only buy one ram module and discard both 256. I have read about ram needing to be matched. And if i do buy more ram, i want to purchase from the states (Australia being too expensive). I have a friend there who could buy this for me. But where to buy, and there seems to be so many ram modules out there. What would be the best to buy, and where from.

Any help on these matter would be much appreciated.

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Click to view ellen's profile New Member 23 posts since
Jun 21, 2008
1. Jun 27, 2008 5:51 AM in response to: azzaman
Re: Buying RAM for PB

Buy TWO "1 GB RAM" modules so you'll have up to 2 GB RAM which is going to be the best 'upgrade' your PowerBook could get, OK, a speedier hard disk would also help but not like having tons of RAM, after all, more RAM means less disk use…

A great place to buy from the USA is OWC, http://www.macsales.com I have done it whilebeing in Europe, service is top notch. Usually you have to pay customs taxes but even so is worthy.

Click to view ellen's profile New Member 23 posts since
Jun 21, 2008
2. Jun 27, 2008 6:09 AM in response to: azzaman
Re: Buying RAM for PB

Sorry, I had forgotten about the links… these are the RAM modules aimed to a 1,25GHz PowerBook… again you can just remove both 256 modules and get two of any of the items below…


512MB memory module

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/TechWorks/125020001/


1GB RAM memory module

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/TechWorks/AN3331G/


Another great place to buy RAM is crucial…

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=PowerBook%20G4%201.25GHz%20%2815-inch%20Display%29


You don't need the RAM being matched pairs.

Good luck.

Click to view ellen's profile New Member 23 posts since
Jun 21, 2008
4. Jun 28, 2008 1:04 AM in response to: azzaman
Re: Buying RAM for PB

I have a Mac that is also a 1,25GHz, of course it is not speedy like the iMac 24" I also have around here, but it is still a really good machine which runs 10.5 with no hassle, I don't regret about having updated from 10.4 to 10.5, albeit 10.4 ran wonderfully on it.

See, a dual, quad core Mac is not going to make your Finder going snappier, instead it is the heavy stuff which most beneficts from all those additional cores as long as the given app knows about them… video apps for example would love them. Thing is your PB with 512 MB is really too low on RAM, just open Activity Monitor and check how much RAM is used and how much is free.

Four types of memory appear in the System Memory pie chart: Wired, Active, Inactive, and Free. "Used" is simply the total of the first three. Don't get confused about Inactive and Free RAM.

The total of the four types equals the amount of random-access memory (RAM) in your computer. RAM as you know is used to store information that is in use or used most recently (think about scrolling huge iPhoto libraries). Information in RAM is loaded from your hard disk, and the RAM is emptied when you turn off your computer. Makes sense, huh?.

The "VM size" refers to virtual memory, a system of putting information in RAM or caching it to your hard disk as needed. Thus Mac OS X can "virtually" use more memory than the amount of RAM you have. The hard disk is much much slower than RAM, so the virtual memory system automatically distributes information between free disk space and RAM for efficient performance. "Page ins/outs" refers to the number of times Mac OS X has moved information between RAM and disk space. You don't want to have your hard disk "playing RAM" so to speak.

Wired memory
This information can't be cached to disk, so it must stay in RAM. The amount depends on what applications you are using.

Active memory
This information is currently in RAM and actively being used.

Inactive memory
This information is no longer being used and has been cached to disk, but it will remain in RAM until another application needs the space. Leaving this information in RAM is to your advantage if you come back to it later.

Free memory
This memory is not being used. Free RAM is wasted RAM and Mac OS X knows about it, the more RAM you have the more it will use. Always.

What does all this mean?
This means you shouldn't worry when the Free memory is low. The only time Free memory should be high is right after the computer starts up. As you use applications or services, memory is used and transitions to Inactive. Applications that need more memory will take from the Inactive, but the Inactive is there just in case you need it again. If the combination of Free and Inactive is very low, then you might need more memory.

Make no mistake, an old PowerBook like your with let say 2 GB RAM is going to be speedier than your MacBook with 512 MB RAM cause the later is poorly -too low- loaded of RAM.

Of course, common sense applies, stuff like Office 2008 is going to run slow no matter how much RAM you have in your PowerBook. But that's another history, blame Office 2008.

Click to view ShermanHoman's profile Member 202 posts since
Oct 27, 2006
6. Jul 2, 2008 5:37 AM in response to: azzaman
Re: Buying RAM for PB

Great information from the above posters,

1) Leopard on a 1.25 GHz machine is not bad at all. It may even seem to be faster than Panther.

2) Yes, you can go directly from Panther to Leopard, you can go from System 9 to Leopard!

3) DVD play back is very dependent on processor speed, yours will not scream like quad-core Intel chip.

4) I think that the cost of Tiger and Panther are do to the fact that there are still a lot of older Macs that are still running but can't handle the requirements of Leopard.


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Click to view Dubbalubagis's profile Member 237 posts since
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8. Jul 6, 2008 1:51 PM in response to: azzaman
Re: Buying RAM for PB
Right now I am running a Mac mini 1.5GHz with 1GB of RAM with Leopard and I have to say I am a bit disappointed. I upgraded a while back from Panther thinking that there wouldn't be much difference but everything has slowed down just a bit. Every time I use Safari I get a beach ball (I know I could use another browser I just enjoy safari) and the same happens with iPhoto in which I have about 2500+ photos. Now I can't switch back to Panther because I just don't want to lose the features so I purchased a refurb Macbook.

It's not like the mini is unusable, not by any stretch. It's just that everything just seems to bog down and it just gets tiresome using it when I have to wait a few seconds to just surf the web.

Double the RAM might help in your situation, it's just what I have experienced!


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Click to view rickcarl's profile Member 201 posts since
Feb 27, 2008
9. Jul 6, 2008 2:15 PM in response to: azzaman
Re: Buying RAM for PB

azzaman wrote:Does anyone else have an idea how my machine will run with Leopard.
If the operating system has the drivers for your hardware it will run. If there are drivers for a hundred other things, the only ones which will be used are the ones for your system so in that sense Leopard just fills up your hard drive a little extra with unused drivers. If you have extra gear like external hard drives or scanners, wrinkles in the drivers will give you trouble. No wrinkles, no troubles. Leopard did not like my Maxtor USB drive so I switched to firewire. No troubles. If you run non-Apple apps like Adobe or whatever, wrinkles in the software will give you trouble. I couldn't get the Apple keyboard to work will under Leopard but I don't know if that is me or Leopard. I dumped the keyboard and now type well. There are too many third party apps to predict which ones work well or not.


Your 1.25GHz will never under any circumstances with any operating system run faster than 1.25GHz. Your hard drive will not be faster. Your CD/DVD will not be faster. Your internet speed will not be faster. Leopard will not run faster on your computer than what you have and may even possibly run slower.


Is there anything in Leopard that will be better for you? That's what some say. Will you be able to use any of the 300 touted changes to Leopard? Maybe. Can you save money by continueing to use your current OS? Absolutely. I have Leopard. It works. I use it on all my computers because I bought a new one with Leopard and I prefer to run all of them with the same look and feel.

Click to view moose_n_squirrel's profile Old Hand 2,859 posts since
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10. Jul 6, 2008 3:34 PM in response to: azzaman
Re: Buying RAM for PB
azzaman wrote:
Does anyone else have an idea how my machine will run with Leopard.

It'll run fine. I have a G4 PowerBook 1.25GHz with 2GB RAM onboard. I'm pretty happy with how it runs Leopard. My friend has the same machine with only 1GB and it is also OK, but he only uses it mostly for the Web and email. If you are still going to use it heavily in Leopard, buying 2GB RAM is recommended. I also upgraded our hard drives to bigger, faster ones about a year ago, and that also has an effect on performance.

However, your MacBook will still blow it away in raw speed.
Click to view iimacboy90's profile New Member 64 posts since
Oct 14, 2006
12. Jul 8, 2008 2:40 PM in response to: azzaman
Re: Buying RAM for PB
I asked a similar question here. I then went through this lengthy and confusing research process and have found that the size of your hard drive determines your real time speed, not just the RPMs. For instance, compare a 250GB 5400 RPM hard drive, and a 200GB 7200 RPM hard drive. If you did a speed test, the 7200 would almost always top out. But when you begin to fill them with stuff, there is less room on disk for the OS to play with, and that causes a slow down (Apple says you need at least 10GB for Virtual Memory, which is basically hard drive space it uses as RAM). Because the 5400 has more space, it could potentially be faster.

Sooo...
If you're not using Photoshop or Final Cut Pro (or any other production software) than the faster RPMs aren't going to give you that big of a speed boost. I actually just upgraded my PowerBook from the original 80GB Toshiba to a 160GB SeaGate, both 5400 RPM, and I use Adobe software.

You didn't ask for this, but I figured it would prove helpful. Unless you already have a preference in hard drives, I recommend SeaGate. I have seen very, very few complaints about SeaGate products. I use Western Digital and do not like them. However, my buddy down the hall at work owns one of the new MyBooks and has no qualms (WD could have fixed things since we purchased their drives several years ago).

One last thing, use pricegrabber.com to do your price searching. Not sure of your location, but they cater to several differnet countries. I have used my share of price search engines, and I like it best.

Hope all goes well!!


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